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Old 05-20-2008, 01:36 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080520...NFziNuNPJvaA8F

"On Monday, Italian press reports indicated that Rome was backtracking after last week's crackdown which saw hundreds of foreign nationals arrested, including gypsies from EU member Romania."

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Even Berlusconi is backtracking from his bold attempts to arrest and expell nationals from other E.U. countries. Perhaps he realized a little too late that all of the Eastern European gypsies would rush to move outside of their countries and into Italy, once their country managed to join the E.U.

In the meanwhile, the Spaniards have taken the issue very seriously and they have practically turned the heat towards the Italians in this matter:

"Foreign Minister Franco Frattini retorted to critics in Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapateroto's Socialist government in Madrid, pointing out that Spain has itself been "very tough" on immigrants and suggesting its policies have even served as a template for Rome's new thinking.

However, he also urged Zapatero to rap the knuckles of figures including Deputy Prime Minister Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega, who suggested that Italy was seeking to ride roughshod over "the rule of law and human rights.""

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And Romania is trying to explain to the Italians the details of the European laws:

"The immigration measures, piloted by hardline Interior Minister Roberto Maroni of the xenophobic Northern League, sparked an emergency trip to Rome by his Romanian counterpart Cristian David, while Brussels is also maintaining a close watching brief to ensure the new laws must conform to EU rules.

David was at pains to point out that Romanians have the right to move freely within the EU, as do citizens of all 27 member countries, while offering full cooperation in tackling criminality involving Italian residents of Romanian origin."

But Berlusconi won the elections by promising to chase the Gypsies:

"An election campaign dominated to a large extent by immigration-related fear following a series of heavily-publicised incidents involving Roma in particular explains the Berlusconi government's urgency on the issue.

As tension built two Roma camps were torched near Naples last week in reprisals for the attempted abduction of a young Italian baby by gypsy travellers."

Guess which other ethnic group is unwelcomed in Italy, especially one specializing at human trafficking, for almost a decade now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/863620.stm

"Albanian mafia steps up people smuggling"

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"One of Italy's top anti-Mafia magistrates says Albanian gangsters are taking control of organised crime on both sides of the Adriatic.

The most lucrative commodities are illegal immigrants."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...ivity_in_Italy

Activity in Italy
Steering clear of the south, where the Italian mafia is firmly in command, the Albanians are targeting affluent central and northern areas like Lombardy, Piedmont and Tuscany. Along with the Russian mafia, Nigerian gangsters and the Chinese triads, are redrawing Italy's criminal map. However instead of choosing to fight over control with Italian criminal organizations, Albanian mobsters have opted to cooperate in mutual interests instead.

But Dr Di Pietro, Unit Chief of the Direzione Nazionale Antimafia (DNA), stresses that the expansion of gangs from across the Adriatic does not mean the Italian mafia has surrendered ground. "No Albanian group would ever be capable of taking on the Camorra or Cosa Nostra" he says. "The fact that there have been no turf wars between Italian and Albanian mafia is significant. They have evidently made a pact."[7]

One of Italy's top prosecutors, Cataldo Motta, who has identified Albania's most dangerous mobsters, says they are a threat to Western society.

"Albanian organised crime has become a point of reference for all criminal activity today. Everything passes via the Albanians. The road for drugs and arms and people, meaning illegal immigrants destined for Europe, is in Albanian hands."[8]

[7] The Independent - Albanians redraw Italy's crime map
[8] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/863620.stm

So, which other underdeveloped Eastern European countries with a large Gypsy AND Albanian population are waiting at the entrance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people

Albania - Disputed: 1,300 to 120,000 (out of 3,619,778) <0.01% to 3.5%
RoMA - Disputed: 53,879 to 260,000 (out of 2,022,547) 2.66% to 12.5%
Turkey - Disputed: 300,000 to 5 million (out of 70,586,256) 0.4% to 8%
Croatia - Disputed: 9,463 to 40,000 (out of 4,453,500) <0.01 to <1%
Bosnia - Estimated: 60,000 to 80,000 (out of 3,981,239) 1.5% to 2%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eurogipsy.PNG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians

Albania - 3,500,000 (out of 3,619,778) >96%
RoMA - 509,083 (out of 2,022,547) >25%
Turkey - 65,000 (out of 70,586,256) <0.1%
Croatia - 15,082 (out of 4,453,500) 0.4%
Bosnia - 15,000 (out of 3,981,239) <0.4%

What do you think? Shall Italy let those people in the E.U. and by extension in Italy itself? I very much doubt so! Not to mention what shall happen if the Turks are allowed inside...

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Italians are not going to stop the Albanian EU membership,actually they are one of our strongest supporters.Every thing writed there is not going to influence their foreign politics,but only their internal affairs.Italians don't give a damn about mafia and big gangsters,they are much more worried about romas,petty thiefs,rapists and so on.

ps.if you want to know smth about real italian mafia,and not fairy tales like the ones blaming Albanians for every thing,i suggest you a book called Gomorra,its about the napoletan mafia(camorra).It was a best seller so for sure theres an english edition of it.
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