The future of Europe: Road to a civilization suicide

[Draco]

• The future of Europe: Road to a civilization suicide

This article makes some very good (and worrying) points. While I disagree with its claims that EU has lack of democracy (EU governance is set up in the best way possible), their calculation that, after taking into account Europe's aging population and the annual intake of immigrants from Africa and the Middle East, by the end of the century Europe will be Islamic is accurate.

[Lakonian]

I highly doubt that my friend...hypothesis can be based on many things....but at the end of the day, with this sscenario...i couldnt imagine America, U.K, Russia France and Germany allowing an overthrow of christian countries. War would be the tool. People today have an ugly image of muslims....it would cause civil unrest as it is already aparent in the Balkans and the middle east.

[HellenicPride]

Its already safe to assume that England, France and the Netherlands are finished. They are over run with muslims. Sure enough are or will be a minority in their own country.

[Alita]

Very accurate in some places but makes wild assumptions in others. I particularly like the last line: By encouraging 'enlightened' Europeans to leave Europe, he achieves exactly the opposite of what, in writing this article, he initially set out to do.

[Paulos Melas]

I think this article disregards the way history manages issues like the previous one.
This article assumes a peaceful transition from the national european state to the union of european states and the overrun of this continental confederation by African and Muslim elements that would eventually dominate the Continent.
The issue which is not touched however is the faith crisis.
Europe is not getting dechristianised because of the presence of religious minorities but rather because Christianity along with the other monotheistic religions are reaching their ending point. Monotheistic religions and particularly the Abrahamic ones become obselete as once paganism became at the end a mere memory of a very romantic past.
Islam equally will be put on the test alsong with Christianity and Judaism.
All three religions based their existence not only to their salvation dogma but also on the continuous clashes between each other.
Both elements are nowadays anachronistic. Salvation dogma seems one more fairy tale, mostly an old cult, fallen apart by the scientistic advancements particularly in the area of genetics and astrophysics.
Simply the role and essence of God is shifting even further that it used to be as science pushing dogma to a more generic and less specific areas.
God mostly stands as the starting point of a well functionable universe and as such stories about specific revelations, Humanized Gods , prophets etc. have a more mythological than dogmatic colour. It seems that it is not far the moment where we will include the Abrahamic religions among the mythologies of the past.
Those new views constitute a new starting point for society with all the good and bad consequences such interesting period brings along.
Every change leads inevitably to a dark period were lights are lowered down as the new elements substitute the old and a new basis is founded for civilisation to go forth.
You shouldn t forget the greek dark ages before the classical greece and the medieval times before enlightenement.
During this period there will be a serious attempt to integrate as much people as possible and henceforth we witness the western tolerance in the acceptance of a large number of immigrants that will enable this new reality to be transfused to the nations that never received the previous enlightnmemt but have now the chance to follow the West to the new future.
And of course all this process is not out of the grace of the hearts of the world leaders but this is happening because homogeneous markets are much better for business and world trade where commodities will be much more easily accesible by the strong and investments by the weak.
Its a trade that all world is doing for better business. Even the muslim elit is aware that eventually they will follow, this is why US and EU so rigolously fight islamic extremism to extiction with whateve cost so that to facilitate the retreat of Islam along with Christanity and judaism and to impose universally what is called the new world order.
Europe will not disappear. Instead all the world will change and we simpl are the unlucky ones to witness the painful process.
After all, the time of Pisces is ended and the time of Aquarius has come.
Science overrun religion, knowledge is preferred instead of wisdom, and all the rest are simply trivial cults and views of a fading past.

[pankration]

Immigration + high birth rate (2-3 times that of Europeans) = a Muslim Europe?

Islamic extremists will never win in Europe. This is a simple game of numbers. At the rate Muslims are settling and multiplying in Europe they will overrun the native population in a few generations. Hell, the lowest birthrates in Europe are in Catholic countries--the same Catholics who don't believe in birth control. The article is extreme but it makes some good points.

[TallOne]

This is bull shit concerning the muslims and not enough white people. I am not defending the muslims, some of the stuff in the quran is shocking, also the surpression of woman.

However its not the white people being taken over, their just is not enough white people, and they are highlighting immigration as a problem. However there is a huge contradiction. In many European countries people are paid THOUSANDS to have children. This is just an excuse to cover it up

[TallOne]

According to what I have read, Islam is not the fastest growing religion. More people convert to Christianity than Islam, but the muslims birth rates are so massive.

There are 1.9 Billion Christians
1.2 Billion Muslims

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[pankration]

Originally Posted by TallOne

This is bull shit concerning the muslims and not enough white people. I am not defending the muslims, some of the stuff in the quran is shocking, also the surpression of woman.

However its not the white people being taken over, their just is not enough white people, and they are highlighting immigration as a problem. However there is a huge contradiction. In many European countries people are paid THOUSANDS to have children. This is just an excuse to cover it up

My intent is not to criticize any faith. I'm merely talking statistics. Europeans are not reproducing quickly enough. They want cheap labor. They need more workers. They don't want to pay someone a proper wage. Solution? Immigration. Who's immigrating? Muslims. Not a complex problem.