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Old 10-24-2007, 09:25 PM
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Iraq warns Turkey against raids


Iraq warns Turkey against raids


Turkish tanks head for the Iraqi border
Turkey has begun preparations for a cross-border operation

Military build up
Iraq has urged Turkey's government to be "wise and patient" after it said it would seek MPs' permission for military action against Kurdish rebels in Iraq.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki said he was prepared to conduct "urgent talks" to defuse the crisis and said a diplomatic solution had to be found.

Iraq signed a counter-terrorism pact with Turkey last month, but opposes any military incursion into its territory.

The US has also warned Ankara against ordering any incursions into Iraq.

"We all have an interest in a stable Iraq and a desire to see the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) brought to justice," White House National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

"But we urge the Turks to continue their discussions with us and the Iraqis and to show restraint from any potentially destabilising actions."

'Internal affairs'

Soon after the Turkish cabinet agreed to submit a motion to parliament seeking authorisation for military action, an Iraqi government spokesman called on Ankara to be "wise and patient" and not to enter Iraqi territory.


The Iraqi government calls on the Turkish government to pursue a diplomatic solution and not a military solution
Ali al-Dabbagh
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"The Iraqi government calls on the Turkish government to pursue a diplomatic solution and not a military solution to solve the [problem] of terrorist attacks which our dear neighbour Turkey has witnessed from the PKK," Ali al-Dabbagh said.

Earlier, Mr Maliki said he was prepared to conduct urgent talks with the Turkish government to "discuss and solve all outstanding problems and give guarantees that will govern relations between the two neighbouring nations".

"We are fully confident that our friends in the Turkish government are committed, just as it is our wish, to bolstering and developing our bilateral relations on the basis of mutual respect, non-intervention in the other's internal affairs and not allowing the harmful use of each other's territory," he said in a statement.

Ankara claims the PKK is a terrorist group that enjoys free movement in northern Iraq and blames it for the deaths of at least 15 Turkish soldiers in the past two weeks.

Cross-border raids

Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek said the Turkish government hoped it would not be forced to resort to military action, even if its motion gained approval in parliament.

PKK members in northern Iraq (20 June 2007)
The PKK wants more autonomy in south-eastern Turkey

"We hope that there will be no reason to use the authorisation, we hope there will be no need for that," he said at a news conference.

Mr Cecik said that if approved, the measures would be valid for a year and would allow multiple cross-border operations.

He also stressed that Turkey would only target the PKK and had no intention of occupying Iraqi territory.

"We have always respected the sovereignty of Iraq, which is a friendly and brotherly country," he added.

The government plans to put the motion to a vote on Wednesday and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AK Party, which has a majority, is expected to vote in favour.
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Iraq warns Turkey against raids


Iraq warns Turkey against raids


Turkish tanks head for the Iraqi border
Turkey has begun preparations for a cross-border operation

Military build up
Iraq has urged Turkey's government to be "wise and patient" after it said it would seek MPs' permission for military action against Kurdish rebels in Iraq.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki said he was prepared to conduct "urgent talks" to defuse the crisis and said a diplomatic solution had to be found.

Iraq signed a counter-terrorism pact with Turkey last month, but opposes any military incursion into its territory.

The US has also warned Ankara against ordering any incursions into Iraq.

"We all have an interest in a stable Iraq and a desire to see the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) brought to justice," White House National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

"But we urge the Turks to continue their discussions with us and the Iraqis and to show restraint from any potentially destabilising actions."

'Internal affairs'

Soon after the Turkish cabinet agreed to submit a motion to parliament seeking authorisation for military action, an Iraqi government spokesman called on Ankara to be "wise and patient" and not to enter Iraqi territory.


The Iraqi government calls on the Turkish government to pursue a diplomatic solution and not a military solution
Ali al-Dabbagh
Iraqi government spokesman

Profile: PKK rebel group

"The Iraqi government calls on the Turkish government to pursue a diplomatic solution and not a military solution to solve the [problem] of terrorist attacks which our dear neighbour Turkey has witnessed from the PKK," Ali al-Dabbagh said.

Earlier, Mr Maliki said he was prepared to conduct urgent talks with the Turkish government to "discuss and solve all outstanding problems and give guarantees that will govern relations between the two neighbouring nations".

"We are fully confident that our friends in the Turkish government are committed, just as it is our wish, to bolstering and developing our bilateral relations on the basis of mutual respect, non-intervention in the other's internal affairs and not allowing the harmful use of each other's territory," he said in a statement.

Ankara claims the PKK is a terrorist group that enjoys free movement in northern Iraq and blames it for the deaths of at least 15 Turkish soldiers in the past two weeks.

Cross-border raids

Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek said the Turkish government hoped it would not be forced to resort to military action, even if its motion gained approval in parliament.

PKK members in northern Iraq (20 June 2007)
The PKK wants more autonomy in south-eastern Turkey

"We hope that there will be no reason to use the authorisation, we hope there will be no need for that," he said at a news conference.

Mr Cecik said that if approved, the measures would be valid for a year and would allow multiple cross-border operations.

He also stressed that Turkey would only target the PKK and had no intention of occupying Iraqi territory.

"We have always respected the sovereignty of Iraq, which is a friendly and brotherly country," he added.

The government plans to put the motion to a vote on Wednesday and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AK Party, which has a majority, is expected to vote in favour.
i been closely watching this thing unfold , and i must say turks are pretty shit.i was regarding them as Balkan power, but they cant even defeat the poor equip Kurds?? what a disgrace, hopefully they can prove to me they are better than this in few days or weeks.i am giving them a month maximum to defend kurds, if not they are going to the last place in my Balkan power house list.

my personal Balkan power list
1) Serbia
2) Greece
3) turkey
4) Bulgaria
5) ROM
6) Albania
7) Montenegro

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How come "ROM" isn't in the first place? Aren't you guys descendants of great warriors?
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Now come on Ehetlaios give the guy a break he admits he's of Slavic heritage nothing to do with the great warrior tribe of the Macedonians during antiquity.
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i been closely watching this thing unfold , and i must say turks are pretty shit.i was regarding them as Balkan power, but they cant even defeat the poor equip Kurds?? what a disgrace, hopefully they can prove to me they are better than this in few days or weeks.i am giving them a month maximum to defend kurds, if not they are going to the last place in my Balkan power house list.

my personal Balkan power list
1) Serbia
2) Greece
3) turkey
4) Bulgaria
5) ROM
6) Albania
7) Montenegro
If u are going to post a list.. At least make it realistic i.e.

1) Turkey
2) Greece
3) Serbia
4) Bulgaria
5) Albania
6) FYROM (sorry my mistake.. I just copied and pasted )
7) Montenegro
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Why ROM??It should be FYROM.
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If u are going to post a list.. At least make it realistic i.e.

1) Turkey
2) Greece
3) Serbia
4) Bulgaria
5) Albania
6) ROM
7) Montenegro
do you honestly think turkey is stronger than Serbia and Greece??i am surprised you ranked them first, i think Serbia has better army than turkey.
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You are dreaming kiddo.Turkey has the largets army in NATO outside of the U.S.
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You are dreaming kiddo.Turkey has the largets army in NATO outside of the U.S.
then why they cant even beat the kurds??
plus it is quality not quantity when it comes to army size but we will see what they can do in the next couple of days.hopefully they can crush the Kurds.
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Why crush the Kurds?/They want a homeland taht they deserve.The Turks have been trying to Turkanize them since 1925 and yet these proud people have been fighting the Turks since.Unlike you people that have never ever fought for Macedonia these proud people have.It's their right as 15 million Kurds live in South easterrn Turkey since antiquity.
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