Turkish Nationalism..

[Orphic_Hymn]

A fine example of what type of videos Mr. Yesim Erdem is talking about..

Note the 'catchy' chorus line that says "ne mutlu turkum diyene" (how proud it is to be a Turk) while depicting the murderer's picture..


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7PJrMOWu34[/YOUTUBE]

When racsism is cultivated to such an extent in a country's youth, its easy to understand why the celebration of such stupidity would indeed make some individuals feel pride.

[Orphic_Hymn]

TURKEY: Sign reads ‘Israeli murderers keep out’


Sign hung above clothing store in southern city of Alanya; Israeli tourist who photographed sign: Even on the way back to the cruise ship someone asked me if I was a solider and if I enjoy killing children

Miri Chason

A sign reading “For Children killers Israelis No Sale, No Entry ” welcomed Israel tourists who passed by a clothing store in the city of Alanya in south Turkey.

The city is frequented by many Israelis, who arrive mainly on cruse ships during the summer.

“We entered the store because I didn’t notice the sign, which was hung very high,” said Nimrod Buchman, 25, of central Israel, who was on a trip with his girlfriend.


Sign at Alanya clothing store (Photo: Nimrod Buchman)


“The Turks immediately recognize Israelis, and therefore they asked us if we are soldiers and if we are capable of murdering children. They told us to leave and did not let us go inside. I had to take a photo of the shocking sign.”

When the vendor realized that Buchman had photographed the sign, an argument erupted.

“One of the salespeople began to chase after me and demanded to see what I had photographed,” Buchman said. “We argued for a while and then he began to curse, but when he understood that I was not about to give up the camera he left. We were very frightened, as were the other people present. Even on the way back to the cruise ship someone asked me if I was a solider and if I enjoy killing children.”

“I will definitely never return to this city, despite the fact that is amazing” Buchman said. “There is an uneasiness that surrounds you here, and people look at you with contempt.



Source:
ynetnews.com

[olvios]

The Turks talk about child killing !! the greatest Genociders of the planet.

[Ms.Lady]

Greeks are more nationalist then Turks!!!!

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

TURKEY: Sign reads ‘Israeli murderers keep out’


Sign hung above clothing store in southern city of Alanya; Israeli tourist who photographed sign: Even on the way back to the cruise ship someone asked me if I was a solider and if I enjoy killing children

Miri Chason

A sign reading “For Children killers Israelis No Sale, No Entry ” welcomed Israel tourists who passed by a clothing store in the city of Alanya in south Turkey.

The city is frequented by many Israelis, who arrive mainly on cruse ships during the summer.

“We entered the store because I didn’t notice the sign, which was hung very high,” said Nimrod Buchman, 25, of central Israel, who was on a trip with his girlfriend.


Sign at Alanya clothing store (Photo: Nimrod Buchman)


“The Turks immediately recognize Israelis, and therefore they asked us if we are soldiers and if we are capable of murdering children. They told us to leave and did not let us go inside. I had to take a photo of the shocking sign.”

When the vendor realized that Buchman had photographed the sign, an argument erupted.

“One of the salespeople began to chase after me and demanded to see what I had photographed,” Buchman said. “We argued for a while and then he began to curse, but when he understood that I was not about to give up the camera he left. We were very frightened, as were the other people present. Even on the way back to the cruise ship someone asked me if I was a solider and if I enjoy killing children.”

“I will definitely never return to this city, despite the fact that is amazing” Buchman said. “There is an uneasiness that surrounds you here, and people look at you with contempt.



Source:
ynetnews.com

Orphic, I think everyone can have his/her own opinions about anything.

This post you made is a bit out of topic.

If I don't want a hebrew to enter my store, then I will erect a sign outside that says so. The only people that will call me racist are the ones who have a vendetta against me.

The guy had every right to put that sign in front of his store. It's his store and no one can make him change his mind.

If the israelis don't like to be called "child killers" (of course I do not say that every one is) then perhaps they should wonder why they are called like that and what has their government done to the Palestinians.

I saw at least two videos last week with israeli soldiers harassing palestinians. In the first they used a young girl as a human shield in a clean up operation and in the second they released an army dog against an unarmed palestinian woman who was running away from them...

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Ms.Lady

Greeks are more nationalist then Turks!!!!

I wish Greeks showed more nationalism, but not to the extent the turks do. Thank god there is no law in Greece about "insulting Greekness" in the way the Turks have a law against "insulting Turkishness"

[Israel]

Ehatlaios,

When you say "Hebrew" do you mean Hebrew speakers? Or Jews? Or Israelis? Not all Hebrew speakers are Jews or Isrealis. Not all Jews are Israelis or Hebrew speakers. Not all Israelis are Jews, and not all of them speak Hebrew.

Or will the sign outside your shop say "No Jews"?

Also, you may think it is your right to put up signs like that in front of your shop, but in democratic countries that do not discriminate on the basis of religion or language those signs would be illegal. I believe Greece belongs to this group too.

Regards,
Hebrew.

[olvios]

That shows how low the level of education of the turks are nothing more. Muslims attacking Israel didnt and dont discriminate between women and children. Its not the good muslims(palestinians syrians...) and the evil israelis. If the muslims had enough power israeli children would be butchered. In war both sides sin.

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Israel

When you say "Hebrew" do you mean Hebrew speakers? Or Jews? Or Israelis? Not all Hebrew speakers are Jews or Isrealis. Not all Jews are Israelis or Hebrew speakers. Not all Israelis are Jews, and not all of them speak Hebrew.
.

Then my own sign would be "no israelis".

[Orphic_Hymn]

A couple of extracts from Dogu Ergil's (professor of political science at Ankara University) article titled "Turkish Nationalism, Then and Now"

................In search of a unifying myth, long forgotten roots of the pre-Ottoman, pre-Islamic era were re-introduced. However, this process was construed not as a scientific endeavor but as ideological glue for national cohesion. In the absence of a medieval high culture that could be labeled `Turkish,' the nationalist elite found their glory in a history that never was. The search for, and consolidation of, a new national identity were carried to such extremes in the 1930s that theories like the Sun Theory of Language were concocted. According to this "theory," all languages emerged out of Turkish. As a reminder of those days, the presidential banner consists of a sun representing the Turkish Republic encircled by 16 stars, symbolizing the Turkish states that were presumably created by Turks throughout history This fabricated glorious past was a panacea for Turkish pride wounded by the loss of empire and reincarnated as a poor, backward society that was occupied during the First World War.................



...................Second, the elite set about to establish a new national Turkish identity Just as it was planned that secularization would emancipate the nation from the fetters of religion, Turkish identity would iron out ethnic and cultural differences and produce a homogenized population. This strategy led to the policy of denying the existence of national minorities in Turkey All existing Muslim minorities were granted a kind of Turkishness. For example, the largest non-Turkish Muslim minority in Anatolia-the Kurds became Mountain Turks. Paradoxically, however, by forcing all Muslims into a Turkish identity, the new regime was also associating Turkish identity with Islam, which was contrary to its secularization project. This built-in contradiction would later make it easier for non-state actors to politicize religion. 'Aren't we all Muslims, so why do we argue whether we agree on the principles of religion (Islam) to guide social life or not?" became the most commonly asked question in the political debate of the 1990s...............



.................................The Turkification process had already begun during the period of the Young Turks in the latter years of the Ottoman Empire. The Young Turks learned the power of nationalism from the struggle of Ottoman peoples whom they fought against to keep the remaining parts of the Empire together. By the end of the First World War and the Turko-Greek War, which lasted from 1919 to 1922, there were few non-Muslim peoples left in Anatolia, which subsequently became the Turkish motherland. The majority of Turkey's two million Armenians were deported to Syria and Mesopotamia in 1915 by the Ottoman Young Turk administration, so that they would not side with advancing Russian troops and declare independence in eastern Turkey Deportations continued until 1918 and it has been estimated that as many as 1.5 million Armenians died or were killed en routes The remaining Greeks, who had not fled after the Turko-Greek War, were exchanged for Turks (in fact Muslims) in Greece under a treaty that went into effect in 1924. This homogenization of the population helped the Republican elite declare the rest of the population Turkish.............




Decades of indoctrination and a heavy dose of nationalist education created a deep sense of pride in being a Turk. Moreover, citizens of the Republic had objective reasons to be proud. They were the heirs of a major world empire and had created a new state by rescuing their country from the victors of the First World War. Through significant economic and political reforms, they were advancing on the road toward contemporary Western civilization. Although the country was poor, its pragmatic policies saved it from the devastation of the Second World War.

However, the euphoria started to dissipate in the second half of the 1950s. Problems caused by political authoritarianism and the limitations of an import-substitution economy were further exacerbated by the failure to manage massive urban migration of people from the countryside. Wide protests staged by labor organizations, professional and student groups began to disrupt the country........................





Most people in Turkey have achieved a better understanding of the root causes of their society's problems. It is clear that the country's underdevelopment and prevailing traditionalism is not the result of Western imperialism as once claimed by the Left. Also, religion is not a barrier for candidacy to the European Union, as claimed by religious fundamentalists and secular skeptics. The effect of politicized religion, however, may be detrimental to political liberty and stability Further, ethnic separatism only reinforces militarism and delays further democratization, as the leader of the PKK has admitted during his trial.

It remains to be seen if Turkey perpetuates its anti-democratic secularist policy, or decides to create a new democratic constitution where traditional groups with religious sensitivities, as well as citizens with other ethnic backgrounds, can feel included. If the official policy of laicism has failed to secularize society because it has not been supported by commercialization, industrialization, modern education and urbanization, then religious affairs should be taken from state control and left to civil society. Only then can. the sociological process of secularization proceed.