Bulgaria, Greece at Odds Over Mythical Orpheus

[Istor]

Empros sto dromo pou xara3e h Tourkia!

Giati o dromos pou xarazoun oi Skopianoi paraeinai xontromalakia!

Re mania pou exei kyrieusei olous tous geitones!

[olvios]

Orpheus was born in Greece, lived in Greece and the Greek part of Thrace among other things so the Bulgarian claims were and are simply a show of unfounded Ultranationalism that a EU state of Bulgaria supports with its Minister of Tourism and its supposedly respected(not anymore obviously since he sunk to this level) archaeologist.

[Cadmus]

Hi Olvios !

Good links you gave here, it does seems like a mysterious shrine the Bulgarian Tatul grave..didn't the Thracians also said they were related to Hermes (the Thracian kings) and somewhere i read they also said Dionysos was a ancient Thracian cult..

But same like they Achilles tomb which should had been at the ancient Troy site which is now in Turkey it could be plausible that other famous Greek deities/hero's final resting places are on foreign soil..


Just as the assumed Cadmos and Harmonia stones(temple) according to Pseudo Skylax where somewhere in the area where the Naron meets the Arion and flows into the Rhizous what would be the lake Skodra river flowing eastwards and joining another river which is connected to the Drilon river which itself ends up in lake Lychnitis..it should be situated on that exact path of rivers..

[Morphesau]

Orpheus isn't Greek? popo ti ala tha dw?

[olvios]

Read more thoroughly my friend.The bulgarian claims were absurd and unbased and unrelated to history, we didnt doubt the data on the thracians but the bulgarian side expressed that they alone have the right to thracian heritage regardless of geography(ancient thrace is shared by many states in the balkans) or history(bulgaria has ancient sites but thats it,they didnt know what a thracian was since recently ...).

See exactly what they both the bulgarian minister and the bulgarian archaeologist claimed.

"Bulgaria is not to resign from its effort to show that orpheus is a bulgarian(!!??) myth" Its not bulgarian its Greek myth about Thracians.

"this agreement is shame, it should not we give in the Greeks the right to speak for the Orpheus, it should we protect the Bulgarian cultural and historical heritage!!!!??" Orpheus is a greek mythological thracian charakter not a bulgarian or a slav and he also was born and acted(as king) in greek thrace and greece.He is also a religious figure in greek pagans and myself and this bulgarian claim borders on sacrilege added on non historical claims.

[Morphesau]

Wasn't he also a God of dreams? in mythology? Just refreshing my memory banks.

Everyone knows he's Greek. Some time....... den kseroun ti theloun, mia mera filia kai eistera \ / na ma kanoun.

Alitithia eine pos filia den eiparxi tora. Kai olh theloun tin Ellinikia istroria mas.

[olvios]

This occurs because of the communist totalitarian mentality that has remained in some individuals and because they dont seem to appreciate their slav and bulgar culture.Could not their "thracian heritage' as they say be stay out of politics with Greece instead of using it in this idiotic manner? Their claims and demands cause only harm and have no real basis since Orpheus was born and acted in Greece and Greek Thrace.Even their "archaeologist" is in on this moronic ideology.Their actions effect internal consumption politics and make sick.To think i hoped entry in the EU would sanitize the situation.Yeah right.

She also complained(the bulgarian minister) that we greeks consider thracians and our ancestors.Of course we do, a great deal were hellenized and were and are part of us ,an event well known.We dont consider the illyrians because they were not.

[Cadmus]

Hi, the Thracians always seemed a big mistery to me..

They have their gods extracted from Greek mythology as in the same gods coexisted in Egypt..example Isis-Io and many others as you know..

The area of the grave is that in todays Bulgaria or Greece? If it''s in Bulgaria no wonder they'll clame it ...but the Bulgars know it is a Greek/Thracian god not a Slavic like Veles-Weles..

But Bulgaria has also (i read this on the link you posted me) a very intresting not yet discovered temple of Dionysos in the Rhodope district..now those Rhodope mountains as well as Mt.Pangaeum are candidates..the Rhodope mountain range also borders Fyrom i think.

But then again i guess also some folks in Bulgaria are related with the Thracians ...they could not all be slaves, same as in Albania and Fyrom..

[olvios]

Romania was also dacia which is thracians as well,what is the minister of bulgaria going to tell them? Lay off the dacian finds because we bulgarians are "Thrax invictus"(what a joke)? I cant believe people like that are in office.

[olvios]

Born in Greece Pieria and ruled in Greek Thrace the Cicones.The "land of orpheus" claim by the Bulgarians is the Greek part of Ancient Thrace.

Even if the tomb was of Orpheus it would change nothing.

There other claims are claims made by states like fyrom but bulgaria is supposedly an EU member not a state in confusion like fyrom.Now all countries bordering Greece are claiming us and we do nothing about it.