Armenian, Vlach and Christian Turk migration to Balcans

[ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ]

Originally Posted by edessa

first of all, how do we even know this lad is a skop? he doesn't seem to be taking any particular negative stance towards Greeks or anything, looks like he's just curious?
also, some skop names ive come across range from weird to downright funny...ie apostolovski, karafilovski, papadolovski, triandafilovski etc etc

Edessa,
Please see my answer to SLAYER. His "particular negative stance " (BUDEN's) is included in the adjective "infamous" for the population exchange and "Christian Turks" for the Greeks of Asia Minor settled in Greek Macedonia after 1923.

If you disagree, pls point to me a decent foreign book using the above terms.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by edessa

first of all, how do we even know this lad is a skop?

He is definitely Scopian:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...tml#post101627

Originally Posted by Slayer

I must agree with Edessa, the guy seemed alright with his question and many of you jumped down his throat..

Every time i see Scopians calling <Christian Turks> the Pontioi and Mikrasiates <ta pairno sto kranio> since my children are partly of that origin,but <ta pairno sto kranio> in even bigger degree when i see them trying to etymologize the name Alexandros from <ancient Protoslavic>....

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...tml#post101635

....or claiming they have ancient Macedonian descend while the Greeks are of sub-saharian origin:

Originally Posted by buden

So what if some of the scientists in the Spanish research were Macedonian? That does not mean that the entire study was swayed by some kind of evil attempt to begrime the "Greek" genetic code.

A swiss agency for genetic research conducted studies as well. Is this another "Fyromanian" conspiracy or are we on to something?

So i think he was treated very decently regarding his extreme racistic views.Some times people who use a polite language like him spit more venom than any other who behaves aggresively.A Greek with similar posts in makfrauds would be banned immediately.

[Slayer]

wait a second guys, are we talking about different threads here..The guy didn't mention christian turks in this thread, if it was in another thread then I can understand the reaction, all I read was this guy talked about christian turks but I couldn't see it in his first and only post in this thread.
I havent searched all of this guys posts, just the ones that are related to this one!

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Originally Posted by Slayer

wait a second guys, are we talking about different threads here..The guy didn't mention christian turks in this thread, if it was in another thread then I can understand the reaction, all I read was this guy talked about christian turks but I couldn't see it in his first and only post in this thread.
I havent searched all of this guys posts, just the ones that are related to this one!

Dear Mr. SLAYER,
Playing with words is a politician's method. If you are one, you are justified, you act as you have been used to.

But if you are a normal human being, please stop hiding between words.

Mr. BUDEN is the man who placed the thread we are in now. In its title, it clearly says "Christian Turks".

On the other hand, in his FIRST post (small need to search...) he uses the phrase
"...the effects of the infamous trade of populations"

Please present me just one decent book on History (please spare me Donski...) where any of the pejorative words used above can be found :
"trade of populations", "infamous" etc.

Just out of curiosity : What is your ethnicity ?

[edessa]

Originally Posted by ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ

Dear Mr. SLAYER,
Playing with words is a politician's method. If you are one, you are justified, you act as you have been used to.

But if you are a normal human being, please stop hiding between words.

Mr. BUDEN is the man who placed the thread we are in now. In its title, it clearly says "Christian Turks".

On the other hand, in his FIRST post (small need to search...) he uses the phrase
"...the effects of the infamous trade of populations"

Please present me just one decent book on History (please spare me Donski...) where any of the pejorative words used above can be found :
"trade of populations", "infamous" etc.

Just out of curiosity : What is your ethnicity ?

relax mate we're all ellines. i didn't see the bloke's thread subject, and i didn't see his previous posts. at the end of the day gamo ti ratsa tou

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Originally Posted by edessa

relax mate we're all ellines. i didn't see the bloke's thread subject, and i didn't see his previous posts. at the end of the day gamo ti ratsa tou

Lots of laughs !

My friend, please be carefull in what you write. A lot of FYROM people know Greek.....

[Ptolemy]

I believe we 've already discussed the issue elsewhere and the following facts.


(1) Athens was captured from Ottoman Turks in 1458 and the city was liberated in 1821.

(2) Skopje was captured from Ottoman turks in 1392 and the city was liberated in 1912.

(3) Thessaloniki was captured from Ottoman turks in 1430 and the city was liberated in 1912.

(4) Trapezounta was captured from Ottoman turks in 1461, and the Pontian refugees migrated to Greece in 1923.

Therefore,
Skopje was under Turkish yoke for 520 years.

Athens was under Turkish yoke for 363.

Thessaloniki was under Turkish yoke for 480 years.

Pontian refugees were under Turkish yoke for 462 years before they came to Greece.

Conclusion:

Skopje was under Turks for:

157 years MORE than Athens.
40 years MORE than Thessaloniki.
58 years MORE than the Pontian refugees.

If Skopjans insist on using terms like “Christian Turks“ then they firstly should use them to theirselves. Consider also that:


In the aftermath of Ottoman conquests, the city of Skopje and generally lands of modern FYROM, were subjected to a systematic massive colonization of Ottomans and other Turkic tribes from which a great chunk of today’s FYROM population is originating from, since many of them were christianised (the rest originates from Bulgarian and Slavic settlers)



I dont see any need to start mentioning Turkic people living in the lands of Modern FYROM before Ottoman conquest. Just a tip. During Alexius I reign, the first Turk to achieve a position of high command in Byzantine empire, named "Tatekios" was sent to a campaign against Normans, commanding the "Turks around Ochrida".

[edessa]

Originally Posted by ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ

Lots of laughs !

My friend, please be carefull in what you write. A lot of FYROM people know Greek.....

eh kai...a lot of greek people know slavic

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Originally Posted by Ptolemy

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I dont see any need to start mentioning Turkic people living in the lands of Modern FYROM before Ottoman conquest. Just a tip. During Alexius I reign, the first Turk to achieve a position of high command in Byzantine empire, named "Tatekios" was sent to a campaign against Normans, commanding the "Turks around Ochrida".

And, PTOLEMY, the facts you mentioned are universally known.

So e.g. BRITANNICA writes :
"ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA
The people
Ethnicity and language
Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.
……………………
Half a millennium of contact with Turkey had a profound impact on language, food habits, and many aspects of daily living in Macedonia.
……………………………………
Whatever distinctive characteristics Macedonians may or may not have had before the coming of the Turks, it is undoubtedly the case that, by the outbreak of the Balkan Wars, they (along with the Muslims of Bosnia) were the European people most closely tied to Ottoman culture."

So, what FYROM people say about ....Christian Turks of Asia Minor have to be understood as in the well-known saying :

"The donkey said to the rooster : You have a big head".

[edessa]

Whatever distinctive characteristics Macedonians may or may not have had before the coming of the Turks, it is undoubtedly the case that, by the outbreak of the Balkan Wars, they (along with the Muslims of Bosnia) were the European people most closely tied to Ottoman culture."


This is a golden quote!!