3 clarifications for a FYROMer

[Cadmus]

Also intresting to see is that in Byzantine era the Mediterranean number increases highly and that the Basic white number deminishes greatly..would that be the result of the major repopulation in Byzantine times?

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

Also intresting to see is that in Byzantine era the Mediterranean number increases highly and that the Basic white number deminishes greatly..would that be the result of the major repopulation in Byzantine times?

I explain it as a return of the "Hellenized" Asiatics in Europe , because of the Turk threat ...long before the fall of Constantinopoli we had Byzantino-Turk/Arabian conflicts ..that I think drove people from Asia to Europe ..what do you think ??

Don't forget that the "Macedonian" Dynasty that named Thrace Macedonia was of Armenian Descent

[Cadmus]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I explain it as a return of the "Hellenized" Asiatics in Europe , because of the Turk threat ...long before the fall of Constantinopoli we had Byzantino-Turk/Arabian conflicts ..that I think drove people from Asia to Europe ..what do you think ??

Don't forget that the "Macedonian" Dynasty that named Thrace Macedonia was of Armenian Descent

Frankly i don't know!
The Byzantine times are still a mystery to me...sorry.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

Frankly i don't know!
The Byzantine times are still a mystery to me...sorry.

ooo And I didn't mention the long Byzantio-Parthian wars in the times of Justinian and Bellisarius ...Asia was a constant battle-field during the Byzantine times !!!

[Ptolemy]

Originally Posted by Andrew

2) If you thing that your ancestors have won over the Greeks in Chaeronea you better consider that cheronea was a greek civil war among two groups of allies: [Macedonians,Thessalians,...] vs [Athenians,Thebans,...]

To be more precise:

Chaeronea

Combatants

Side A'

Macedonia, Thessaly, Epirus, Aetolia, Northern Phocis, Epicnemidian Locrians*

Side B'

Athens, Beotian League (Thebes, etc), Euboean League, Achaean League, Corinth, Megara, Corcyra, Acarnania, Ambracia, Southern Phocis.

Neutral sides

Sparta, Argos, Arcadia, Messene. The three last had alliances both with Athens and Philip but their pro-macedonian activity of 344/3 BC showed they were leaning towards Philip. However they didnt sent aid to Chaeronea in Philip's side because of the blocking in Isthmus by Corinth and Megara. Sparta had withdrawn almost entirely from Greek affairs in 344 BC.

[*] Elis had an alliance with Philip though they didnt take part in Chaeronea but showed their pro-macedonian feelings by joining their forces with Philip in the invasion of Laconia in the autumn of 338 BC.

3) The only FAMOUS conflict that your ancestors (at least those of you that are no Slavo-Bulgars) Paeonians had with a Greek is mentioned in Homer's Iliad in rapsody XXI: It's the conflict between Achilles and the Paeonian Asteropaius (son of Pelegon who is son of the river Axios (Vardar)):

Fact is that Homer verifies the Paionians were the most western allies of the Trojans coming from the Axios river area. [Iliad, II.848-850] This simply means the area west of the Axios is Greek.

[Andrew]

Great one Ptolemy !!!
Thanks for the help !!!

And in Rapsody 14 ....From Axios starts Thrace right , dude ?? !!