FYROM for FYROMians

[Tchakalaroff]

Please see this site...
It is still in construction, but there are very interesing documents in english about the revolutionary 1903 year..

www.makedonskiot.narod.ru

And a very interesting letter written by Wiliam Gladstone.. !!!


Wiliam Gladstone


Gladston's statement about the Macedonian Question

[Orphic_Hymn]

You should have expected the title change.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Any idea why there is no trace of W.Gladstone on the British Museum's site ??

If you have any official link please do provide.

[Tchakalaroff]

Yes, but...
I was just perephrasing Wiliam Gladston..
He was the prime-minister of Great Britain...

Hm...
Ok.. I know that there is a brutal censure here, but I will still use my limited rights here, to talk to you people..

I come as a friend...
I'm not talking about ancient macedonians..
I know that it is pervert that in my country the people say that they are desendents of Alexander the Great..

But I want to talk to you about the Fight for Macedonia 1893-1908 !!!

[Tchakalaroff]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Any idea why there is no trace of W.Gladstone on the British Museum's site ??

If you have any official link please do provide.

This is taken from a book which you can find in the British cultural center in Skopia, and in Athens..

This saying od Gladston is widely known..

[Orphic_Hymn]

You obviously know exactly what the phrase represents and how its been used. If you don't, then you probably need to take a good look into the textbooks you're raising your youth with.

As for censorship, yes there are some things that will not be accepted, I'm sure you knew this from day 1. While we may not accept specific terminology, this does not mean that we have any intention of not having the peacefull and friendly discussions you spoke of in your first post.
We do and will exchange ideas with you, that is the whole purpose of the forum, to inform all the misguided.

Finally as for the British museum, I looked into the alleged Britannica abstract presented in your source. Personally I found it manipulated and will address it in a different topic.
But when you present a pic of an alleged letter (and not statement) which states as the source the British Museum, its simple logic that the source will be looked into.

So any chance of an official document instead of this.. what should I call it...''alleged photocopy' ?

[Orphic_Hymn]

Let's examine what William Gladstone was really aiming for.
In a CBC article by LARRY ZOLF, titled "Of Trojan horses, musical chairs and coronations" published Feb. 14, 2003, we read:

.........................................These days the Greeks are, as usual, playing a masterful game of international and domestic politics. After the Second World War, Greece endured one of the most violent civil wars ever between the Left socialists and communists and the Right - royalists, military people and businessmen. Greece was also the only democracy in Europe to undergo a military dictatorship under the notorious colonels junta government of 1967-1974.

The Greeks, of course, were also a subject nation of the Ottoman Empire, that is, Turkey. Turkey was fiercely Muslim, the Greeks the fiercest of Christians. The Greeks are traditionally no fans of Turkey or any Islamic countries. In the late 19th century Turkish pogroms against the Greeks, Armenians and other Christians in the Ottoman Empire sharply divided British public opinion.

Britain's legendary Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, Lord Beaconsfield, openly favoured Turkey because that enabled England and its navy to control the vital Dardanelles Straits separating Russia from Turkey. That trick British strategy earned Britain the title of Perfidious Albion.

Britain's highly moralistic party of the time, the Gladstone-led Liberals, rushed to the side of the Greeks. In the House, Gladstone asked: "Will the prime minister not heed the cries from Macedonia?"

Disraeli ignored these Greek cries and Greek public opinion became markedly anti-British. Still, it was the same Perfidious Britain that sent troops into Crete to help protect the Greeks from the 1940 invasion armies of Italy's Mussolini........................

[pankration]

I'm glad Orphic Hymn found this quote because even if the letter above is real NOWHERE does it state that Macedonians aren't Greek.

[Euklid]

Exactly, the letter states nothing about Slav Macedonian, at the time Macedonia the geo region, was inhabited by both Greek and Slavs, Greeks predominantly as many censuses confess, especially the Ottoman ones, that can be regarded as the most valid.

2nd we are all aware of Britains "divide et impera" policies all around the world, with Cyprus being for us at top priority list. Cyprus was inhabited by both Greeks and Turks.

So if Gladstone would have said Cyprus for the Cypriots.....who would mean by that?

The Greeks or the Turks?

Britain has stated so about Cyprus in the 60's to avoid unification with Greece.

Gladstone falls not far from this mentality by wishing that Macedonia as a territory, to not be annexed by Hellas.(in any case) And as we well see from Orphic's quote, he is the one that further confessed the Greekness of Macedonia to support the Hellenic expedition, in case Macedonia failed to confront the war againt the Ottoman. Pure and straight-forward politics.

This is politics not History, and should be viewed as such.

Do you get the point here or should i elaborate more?