Nikola Kavaya: A Kosovo Serb, Anti-Communist Maximus

[Vasiliye]

Nikola Kavaja was born in the Zeta Banate of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in 1933, in the Old Serbia area of modern-day Montenegro to a family drawing descent from Dečani in Metohija (western Kosovo). He is best known for his anti-communist activities, including one of the first attempts to turn an airliner into a weapon.

As a child he lived in what is now Peć, Kosovo, Serbia. In April 1941, Germany invaded and occupied Yugoslavia and his family was split up and sent to different prison camps in Albania. In 1944 he returned to Peć to find his family. By his own account, he killed for the first time that year when he pushed a wounded German soldier into a well.


Kavaja joined the air force and fought against the Germans. He also joined a secret Anti-communist group. In June 1953, as part of his clandestine activities, he sabotaged gas tanks at the Sombor airport. He evaded arrest, and a man who wasn't involved in the explosion was tried and executed. When his commander in the secret group was arrested, he deserted the air force. He was arrested by Yugoslav authorities while attempting to cross the border into Austria. After serving four years of an 18-and-a-half year sentence, Kavaja escaped and made it to Austria. He was detained by Austrian authorities and transferred to an American Army base. After seven months of investigation by American authorities who suspected him of ties to the KGB, Kavaja began to carry out missions for the CIA against Yugoslavia and the USSR, including "sabotage, spying, exposing double agents, assassinations."

According to Kavaja, one of his major assignments from the CIA was to assassinate Josip Broz Tito, president of Yugoslavia. Tito traveled to Brazil and Kavaja followed, but the chance to kill the president was foiled when Tito stayed indoors for his entire stay. Kavaja followed Tito from Brazil to Chile, Mexico and the United States. Upon arrival in America, he and his companions had to be especially careful because he was wanted by the FBI, which didn't always share sources with the CIA. Kavaja staked out Camp David in 1971, disguised as a Maryland State Trooper, in order to kill Tito, who was visiting United States President Richard Nixon. Once again, he was foiled when Tito stayed indoors.

Kavaja was a central figure in an allegedly CIA-funded group called Freedom for the Serbian Fatherland (also known as SOPO). Kavaja claimed that this organization bombed Yugoslav embassies in Washington, D.C. and Ottawa, Canada, and consulates in New York City, Chicago, San Francisco and Toronto.

In 1978, Kavaja and "over a hundred" of his Sopo companions, including Stojilko Kajevic, were arrested in New York by American law enforcement. Kavaja was released on $250,000 bail, and after visiting his family in New York he promptly hijacked an American Airlines 727 (Flight 293 from New York City to Chicago). He planned to demand Kajevic's release, then fly to Belgrade, Yugoslavia and crash into Ušće Tower, the Communist Central Committee Building. When he realized that Kajevic wouldn't be released, he let the plane's passengers go, retaining only a pilot, a co-pilot, a flight attendant and his own lawyer. He forced the crew to fly from Chicago to JFK Airport in New York City. There, he transferred to a larger plane. Initially hoping to still fly to Belgrade, on the advice of his lawyer he flew to Ireland, which didn't have an extradition agreement with the United States. Hoping for political asylum, Kavaja surrendered in Ireland and was returned to America to again face a criminal trial.

Kavaja was in prison from 1979 to 1997 and remains on parole until 2019. He violated parole by returning to Serbia; if he returns to the United States he would be arrested and returned to jail.

Nikola Kavaja was arrested on April 1, 2003 during the investigation of Zoran Đinđić assassination.


Filmmaker Milan Knezevic made a documentary about Kavaja called Nikola Kavaja - lovac na Tita ("Nikola Kavaja - The Hunt for Tito"), which was shown at the 1994 Edinburgh Film Festival
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Nikola Kavaja: Interview with an assassin

Nikola Kavaja lives in a drab, Communist-era high-rise in Belgrade,
Serbia's crumbling capital. His two-room apartment is sparsely
furnished: a single mattress and dresser in one room, and a scratched-
up wooden desk, a couch, and a bench press in the other. The white
walls are cluttered with pictures of the people who figure most
strongly in his personal iconography: General Ratko Mladic, Saint
Sava, Hitler, Jimmy Carter, and a young pin-up who is his current
girlfriend. Guns and old military gear provide further ornamentation.
A blue thermal blanket covers the street window.

By Christopher S Stewart
Published: 10 December 2006
Kavaja is 73, but he looks no older than 60. He adheres to a strict
weight-training routine that gets him up every weekday before the sun.
He is squarely built and muscular, with white hair cut to a military
trim-line and a fighter's mashed-up nose. Except for the fine white
thread of moustache, he is cleanly shaven. In his dress, he favours
black trousers, black shirts and black combat boots.

Our conversation took place over three mornings, with classical music
playing softly in the background. Kavaja spoke slowly and quietly,
with an air of determined precision. At times, he paused to place his
hand on his forehead in search of a long-forgotten detail. As he
spoke, Kavaja stared off in the distance at nothing at all, or else
looked down at his booted feet.

Christopher S Stewart You were a Second World War prisoner, a
Communist soldier, a CIA hitman, a hijacker, and now a fugitive on the
run (among other things). Where to begin?

Nikola Kavaja Write down my name. N-I-K-O-L-A K-A-V-A-J-A. You can
call me Nik.

Stewart That's a start.

Kavaja It is a long story. Do you want some schnapps?

Stewart No thanks. I'm fine with water.

Kavaja Water's for pussies.

Stewart Most of the time I'd agree. But 10.30 in the morning is a
little early for me to be drinking shots of schnapps.

Kavaja It's a hello. You drink some schnapps with me. We drink
together.

Stewart OK.

Kavaja That's better. Salud. So - I was born in Montenegro in 1933. In
1941, when Hitler attacked Yugoslavia, my father and mother and I were
all transferred to separate prison camps in Albania. My brothers went
to the war. In October 1944, when the Russians forced the Germans out
of the Balkans, I went back to Pec to find my mother. But she wasn't
there. No one was there. I had to fight for myself. The first time I
killed someone was that year - a German soldier. He was heavily
wounded and leaning over the top of a well. He was getting water. I
walked up to him, took him by the legs and tossed him in like garbage.

Stewart You weren't afraid?

Kavaja My dick, was I ever afraid. I hated them. I couldn't find my
family anywhere. I searched for months. Eventually, I found my mother
in Vojvodina. I learned that two of my brothers were killed in the
war. I joined the air-force academy. They made me a war pilot. Around
that time, my brother was thrown in jail for being anti-Communist. He
wasn't. But Tito was a suspicious man. Tens of thousands of military
officers finished their careers in prison. They all fought for Tito
and then they were thrown in jail for bullshit reasons. What kind of
leader does that?

Stewart You never liked Tito?

Kavaja I hated him. Around that time, I became a member of an
underground anti-Communist group. That's where my life really started.
My commander, Milutin Abramovic, was in the air force with me in
Sombor. He knew about my brothers who were imprisoned and killed. I
had cousins that went to jail too. That's why he started giving me top-
secret missions, I think. Because my hatred was so personal.

Stewart What was the first job?

Kavaja He had me paint on the walls of the military barracks "Long
live the Soviet Union"; "Down with Tito"; "Down with the Communist
Party". It was a test, I think. But I did it. And for me, it was funny
- a what-the-fuck kind of thing, you know?

Stewart How did Tito like your sense of humour?

Kavaja When I wrote that, it was Saturday evening. By Sunday morning,
military intelligence officers were searching for who did it. There
was a huge alarm. There were 4,000 soldiers at our barracks and none
of us could leave. After two or three days of investigations, they
started to lock people up. They arrested a major who was in charge of
security that evening, and he got seven years in prison. Two of my
friends were also arrested and sentenced to jail.

Stewart You weren't afraid you'd get caught?

Kavaja Who would have known? I was into football and girls. It made me
laugh. The big assignment came next. It was June 1953. The order was
to burn the gas tanks at the airport in Sombor. I knew all of those
bases like I know my room. My commander gave me some time bombs and I
set them up near the tanks, which held a million gallons of petrol. I
placed the bombs around the tanks and walked away. When they went off,
there was a massive explosion. It was incredible. I was far away but I
could see huge yellow flames in the sky. I realised it wasn't a joke
anymore. I was in big shit. Police swarmed to the base and all the
towns nearby. They arrested hundreds. I knew seven of them. One was a
major hero. He got the death penalty. For nothing! The others died in
prison.

Stewart You didn't feel guilty at all about this?

Kavaja Guilt? My dick. You don't know about guilt. Schnapps?

Stewart I'm still working on this one, thanks.

Kavaja After my commander was arrested, I was told that a lot of
officers were arrested at the airport, and they also asked about me
and my friend Sveto. I took my machine gun, a pistol, three grenades,
a compass, binoculars, and a bag of clothes, and I became a deserter.
That's a very serious thing, punishable by death. I knew they would
chase us. Sveto and I decided to cross the border illegally into
Austria.

To get to the border, we walked only at night. It wasn't easy terrain.
There were mountains and canyons and lots of snow. We slept in the
woods. Sveto got so tired he couldn't walk. So I put him on my back.
Then we came to this mountain. It was covered in heavy snow, up to my
waist in places, and the temperatures were below zero. It would have
taken days to go over. But there was a tunnel through the mountain for
trains. I decided to take a risk and go through the tunnel. I put
Sveto down and he followed. The tunnel was a kilometre long. Sveto
kept falling, but I pretended not to see him because I couldn't carry
him anymore. Somehow we got through.

Just before we got to the border, there was a canyon. If you made one
wrong step you'd fall to your death. The darkness was deep and I
couldn't see much. I heard footsteps. I turned and there was a shadow
moving along the mountain road. We couldn't run away because we were
so tired. I aimed my machine gun in the shadow's direction. It came
nearer and I saw that it was a woman. She said to us, "Bless you." She
had a hood on, and I pulled back her hood and asked who she was. "I'm
a teacher," she said. I asked for her documents. She was telling the
truth, so I let her go. I should have killed her because I knew she
was going to report us. I don't know why I didn't.

We had trouble at the border. Someone shouted stop. Then there were
shots in our direction. We were in open space. Behind us were woods.
We got down and fired back. The fight went on for 10 minutes. I went
through two clips and threw three hand grenades. But we managed to get
back into the woods and retreat to our border. I fired all but seven
bullets.

We walked for an hour or so, then tried the border again. That time
was worse. We got ambushed from three different directions. It was the
Yugoslav People's Army, my own fucking army. They surrounded us, three
of them with machine guns. The commander approached and asked where we
were going. I reached into my leather jacket and said, "We were just
visiting Svatko Lacovic." The commander said, 'There's no one here
with that name. Where are your arms?" I said, "We don't have any. I
just have gloves." When I took out the gloves, I drew my pistol, put
it to his forehead, and pulled the trigger.

Stewart What about the guys with guns?

Kavaja I had seven bullets left. I could have taken them all. But my
gun jammed. From behind, I was hit with a machine gun and I lost
consciousness. Sveto just stood there. When I came to, there were 20
or so soldiers around.

We were moved to a jail on the border. One morning, they took us out
and put us against a wall outside of the barracks. I thought they were
going to shoot us. My legs and my hands were in chains. The commander
of the division marched out all of the troops - all 5,000 of them -
and gave a speech. He said: "From our Communist hands, no one will
escape. These men were organising against our nation. We will spit on
these traitors." After that, all of them lined up and spat on us, one
at a time. One of my cousins came around four times. I couldn't
believe it! Five thousand people spat on me. It was a psychological
thing, a show to boost morale.

Stewart Pour me some schnapps.

Kavaja I don't want to talk about the trial, about being beaten up
every day and every night. I was sentenced to 18 and a half years.
After four years I escaped into Austria, where I was picked up and
shipped to a US Army base in Stuttgart. They thought I was KGB, but
after months of interviews, three intelligence officers introduced
themselves and offered me political asylum.

Stewart Is that how you started working for the CIA? How did they ask
you to join them?

Kavaja They asked me, my dick. They didn't ask. They checked me out
for seven months. They thought I was KGB. I had to prove myself. I
bombed some Communist buses - Yugoslavian buses - in Vienna. It was
their way of testing my loyalty. They liked me because of my history.
I was young and fearless and hated Communism.

So I started to work dirty jobs against Yugoslavia, against Russia -
sabotage, spying, exposing double agents, assassinations. I did some
very bad things, but I accepted my destiny. In 1959, I uncovered a
gang of Yugoslavians smuggling arms to Algeria. They would come in
dressed up like priests. I tracked them down and killed them. There
were never any reports about the people who disappeared. They might as
well have never lived.

Stewart So you were like God, deciding who would and wouldn't die?

Kavaja My superiors made the final decisions. I killed. One person is
on my conscience. She was a double agent from East Germany. I was
sleeping in the desert in a tent because that was the only place safe
from the war. I received an order from military intelligence to kill
this woman. When I got her, she didn't know what I was going to do.
She was probably 23 years old. I asked for her family name and where
she lived. There would be no official report - she would just
disappear - and I wanted to send a message to her family and say where
they could find her.

Stewart Why her?

Kavaja There was something about her. I just wanted to do her a
favour. Even when I was in prison in the United States I dreamt about
her. She was not the first one or the last one. But I felt sorry for
her. She was so young. But she was a proud girl. She spat on me.

Stewart And you shot her?

Kavaja What do you think? I didn't rape her. I told her to walk ahead
of me. And I shot her in the back.

Stewart Did you think she deserved that?

Kavaja I never worried about killing an innocent person. I wasn't
trained to kill innocent people. I killed people on my level - soldier
to soldier, agent to agent. It is not my job to think about innocence
or guilt. She didn't ask for mercy. She was probably guilty. But she
stays with me. No one else does.

Stewart How were you paid?

Kavaja By the job. For the bigger jobs, like assassinating Tito, I
would be paid US$15,000. For most jobs, US$10,000. They dropped the
money off at my house.

Stewart You didn't assassinate Tito - but you tried?

Kavaja Killing Tito was a big mission. For almost a decade, I hunted
him. I was never a traitor - I wanted to save my country. That's why I
was good for this mission. I was ready to give my life for it. If I
died one second after I killed Tito I wouldn't care. He killed my
three brothers. He destroyed my country. I went to jail. I lost
everything.

In 1963 I got information that Tito was coming to North and South
America for a tour. Our intelligence said it would be easier to kill
him in South America because the security would be much thinner down
there. Tito always travelled with his own agents, about 125 State
Security Service men. These men went a few months in advance to clean
up all the political dissidents. When I say clean up, I mean jail or
kill. They had files on these people. Of course, they had a big file
on me, too. The government wanted me dead. The State Security Service
sent people to try to assassinate me. When I returned to Serbia in the
1990s, a Montenegrin man came and said to me, I was supposed to kill
you in 1976 in the States, but I couldn't find you. We laughed about
it.

Anyway, to kill Tito, I worked with Dragica Kacikovic and a third
Serbian guy that I won't name because he is still undercover. We
weren't maniacs. We didn't just decide, "Hey, we're going to go kill
Tito." We got our orders from the CIA and planned it out carefully.

Rio de Janeiro was our first shot. Dragica went first. He got fake
documents and travelled as a Mexican journalist with a sombrero and a
video camera. I followed with the third guy. I took a Colt .45 and a .
357 Magnum and I was disguised as a Catholic priest - with a long
black robe and a black hat.

We had informants in the town who provided us with information. We
knew Tito liked to go out on the town, eat, and see chicks. I waited
for word that he was out on the town and then I would shoot him. But
Brazil was not our time. Tito stayed in the house throughout his stay.
He didn't move from the building for two days. We didn't see him come
and we didn't see him go. One day he was there and then he was gone.
Like a ghost.

Stewart Was that a major letdown for you?

Kavaja I didn't panic. From Brazil, I followed him to Santiago, Chile,
then Mexico City. Then I got a message to come to Washington DC right
away, because Tito was on his way. That was the most dangerous place
for us as a group. The FBI was searching for us. They were working
with the Yugoslav State Security Service.

Stewart I thought you worked with the CIA?

Kavaja But the CIA and the FBI didn't share informants. They were
rival organisations. There were rewards for our capture from the FBI.
My last attempt to kill him was 1971 at Camp David in Maryland. He was
going there to visit Richard Nixon. No one can carry a gun around Camp
David, but I went alone, dressed as a Maryland State Trooper. I
couldn't get on the actual property, but I got up into a tree where I
could see the chopper with binoculars. I had my sniper rifle with me.
My thought was that at some point Tito would take a walk into the
woods. He liked to take walks. It was beautiful, I thought. Who
wouldn't take a walk? I waited all day and night.

Stewart In the tree? You didn't sleep?

Kavaja No. I couldn't kill him if I was asleep. You don't know
anything about this kind of thing. Sleep! What a fucking joker.

Stewart Did Tito ever go for a walk?

Kavaja Never. After two days, he left. And that was it. Nothing. So I
didn't get him. But I did a lot of damage to his regime and to
Communism.

Stewart You had a Serbian terrorist organisation didn't you?

Kavaja It was a freedom group. I called it Freedom for the Serbian
Fatherland - Sopo. We got money from the CIA. We bombed the Yugoslav
embassies in Washington and Ottawa, and the consulates in New York,
Chicago, San Francisco and Toronto. Bin Laden stole our strategies.
But after that the State Department got a lot of pressure from Tito to
track us down and extradite us. It was a big mess.

Stewart Did they catch up with you?

Kavaja Not until 1978. I was in New York on my way to a friend's house
and more than 20 agents with guns ambushed me on

Third Avenue. They arrested over a hundred of us. A judge in Chicago
found us guilty but delayed the sentencing for a month. I got out on
$250,000 bail. The judge released everyone except for Stojilko
Kajevic, who went by the name Priest. He helped me lead Sopo. The FBI
thought he was the most dangerous. That was a mistake. After the trial
I told Priest that I was ready to do a hijacking I'd been talking
about. My plan was to land in Chicago, pick Priest up, and then fly to
Belgrade and crash into the Communist Central Committee building.

Stewart So that's what you did when you got out on bail - hijacked a
plane?

Kavaja First I returned home to see my family. One day I got a call
from Priest. He said, "Send me the memorandum." I said, "For whom?"
"President Carter," he said. That night, I went into my basement,
where I made bombs. I made two of them built into two beer bottles.
The telephone rang - this is funny - it was an FBI agent from Chicago,
Al King. He said, "Hi Nik, how are you?" I told him, "I'm making a
bomb for tomorrow." He thought I was joking. It was a big scandal in
the trial later on. You can check the court files. It's all there.
After I finished, I went upstairs. I took some long socks from my
daughter's room and stuffed the bottles in my trouser legs. I put on
my trousers and looked in the mirror and you couldn't see that
anything was in there. I was ready. I went to sleep at around 1am.

Stewart How could you sleep?

Kavaja I had done a hundred more difficult operations. I never feared
that I would make a mistake. I woke up at five, just like any other
day. My wife woke up with me. She cooked me a steak for breakfast.
That's all I eat - steaks. I said goodbye like any other morning. I
had the bombs strapped to my leg and dynamite in a leather suitcase. A
cab took me to the airport. I ordered a brandy at the airport bar and
relaxed. I checked in and waited by security for the right moment to
pass. I knew if a police officer stopped me, I would have to kill him.
I was going to get on that plane. That's all that was on my mind. I
saw an albino couple with a lot of camping equipment passing through
security. So I went with them. They set the alarm off. The police
stopped them, but not me.

I got on the plane to Chicago. It was an American Airlines 727. My
seat was number 23 on the left side of the plane. Next to me was a
woman from Poland who had never been to the United States. Imagine
that. She has to get on my plane! We drank a brandy together. We
talked. Fifteen minutes before we landed, I said goodbye to the her
and went to the bathroom.

I got the bombs ready, then went to the cockpit. The stewardess asked
me what I needed. I said, "Give me the key to the cabin." She was
paralysed. I put my hand in her pocket, took the key, and opened the
cabin. There were four pilots. They didn't hear me open the door. When
one of them tried to stand up, I forced him down. His name was
Mitchell. I showed them the explosives and said, "This is my plane
now, I am responsible for your lives, if you make a mistake, we will
all go to God."

After a few minutes, Mitchell asked me what I wanted - money or what?
I told him to get me in touch with the FBI. Al King got on the line.
He was absolutely crazy! He said, "Nik, you're late for court." I
said, "Listen, in five minutes I'm going to fly over the courthouse. I
told you last night that I was making bombs." He said, "Why do you
make jokes?" I said, "You'll see me in five minutes."

I flew over the courthouse three or four times. The stewardess brought
me a brandy. Eventually, we landed and I parked the plane at the far
edge of the airport. There were 128 passengers and eight crew members.
Hundreds of police surrounded the plane on the runway. The FBI asked
me what I wanted. I said, "I want Priest." Passengers kept asking for
things. One woman said she was going to give birth and I said, "What
the fuck is going on? I'm not a doctor, I'm a terrorist."

The FBI sent a lawyer out to the plane to talk me out of it, but I
said it was too late. Then he begged me to release the passengers.
That was the riskiest moment. I worried that the FBI would attack. But
I had the bomb trigger in hand and I told them not to mess around
because I could blow the plane up in a second. The briefcase of
dynamite was at my chest. I gave the passengers five minutes to get
off. You should have seen these fat Negroes! It was hilarious. Looking
at them you wouldn't expect them to be so fast. But they were off in
seconds. At the end there were four people left: Mitchell, a co-pilot,
my lawyer, and the stewardess.

Stewart What about Priest?

Kavaja Priest finally called me. But it wasn't good. He said, "Brother
Nikola, I'm not coming with you." That was the most difficult moment.
I sacrificed everything for this, my wife, my kids, my life. We had a
deal. We were going to take the plane to Yugoslavia. It was his job to
show me the building we were going to hit. I hadn't been back to
Yugoslavia for decades. The Communist Central Committee building was
built in the 1960s. I didn't know the land. I didn't know what to do
at that point. But he got off the phone and it was over.

I told them to fuel the plane and then I told Mitchell we were
leaving. There were 40 or 50 cars following the plane as we drove down
the runway. Mitchell asked me what the plan was and I said, "New
York." On the way, I demanded a 707, a much bigger plane, and a new
crew to meet me at JFK. No one knew what I was going to do. When we
landed, the 707 was there. We pulled up. I took Mitchell and the co-
pilot and tied them to me. I wanted to make sure I didn't get killed
on the way across and that the new pilots were not impostors. There
were hundreds of police snipers. But I had this living wall around me.

After we left New York, I finally told my lawyer the plan. You should
have seen his eyes. He was a baby. We flew for hours. But then I had
second thoughts. I was ready to die. But I didn't know where the
Central Communist building was in Belgrade. I didn't want to kill
regular civilians. That was never my job. I wanted to kill Tito and
the biggest symbol of the Communist Party - not go down as the guy who
killed innocent people. My friend betrayed me and I lost the target.

Stewart So you're up there with a stolen 707, a bunch of hostages, and
nowhere to go.

Kavaja I didn't want to lose my life for nothing. That was the point.
But you don't have time to think. My lawyer said that Ireland didn't
have an extradition agreement with the United States. I'd get
political asylum, I'd be safe. So we landed there. I gave up the
explosives and let everyone go. Then the negotiations started between
the authorities of Ireland, my lawyer, and the States. Of course, they
all betrayed me. Ireland sent me back to the US. That was it. This
time it was over for real.

I was in prison from 1979 to 1997. First, I went to Marion prison in
Illinois. Solitary confinement. Noriega was in the same place. I never
left my cell. I had three shirts, three pairs of trousers, three
towels, and two blankets from like World War One. I had a mouse friend
who visited me at night. There was no regular toilet - it was in the
floor and you had to be a good pilot to get everything in there. I did
push-ups - thousands of them a day - and thought about my wife and
kids, and I thought about Tito.

Stewart After 20 years, they let you out.

Kavaja Yeah. It was a long time. And I'm on parole until 2019.

Stewart So how did you get back to Serbia?

Kavaja I'm supposed to be in the States. But I left. I didn't ask
anybody. Now I can't go back or they'd send me to prison. I can't see
my wife or kids. I went to Mexico and then Brazil and then South
Africa. From there, I went to Athens, then Serbia.

Stewart How were you treated when you returned to Serbia?

Kavaja I had a reception at a military bunker in the mountains. It was
early 1999, when Kosovo was going on. They were cooking mushrooms.
That shit's not for me. I only eat steak. I told them, "We need to
fight on their territory. Let's go to Albania and Macedonia and fight
the Albanians that way. That's the only way we are going to win." They
didn't listen. A few months later, they bombed Belgrade. And the war
was over.

Stewart Do you have enemies?

Kavaja I have lots of enemies - ex-Communists, State Security Service
from Tito's day - but I'm not afraid. I have protection. And I can
take care of myself. If someone wanted to assassinate me, I know how
they'd do it because I was an assassin myself. See this? This is my
best friend in all my life. It's a German gun from before World War
Two, made in 1938. A Luger 9mm. Very good gun.

Stewart Is it loaded?

Kavaja Not right now.

Stewart What's the point of having a gun under your table if it's not
loaded?

Kavaja You know nothing about guns! There are bullets in it, but they
aren't engaged. I can engage it in a second. My dick. You're a silly
man!

Stewart So you're still ready to fight?

Kavaja I'm still strong. I work out every day except Saturday and
Sunday. My hands are scarred from explosives, but I can still get down
on the floor and do push-ups. I do 200 push-ups, squats, like this,
off the side of bed. At one time, I could do 3,000.

Stewart How many people have you killed so far?

Kavaja There are so many things that I can't even tell you. How many I
killed is not important. I count to 17 and then stop counting.

Stewart Seventeen?

Kavaja It's just a number. My first kill was when I was 14 and my last
was, I don't know, maybe in 1976. But I'm not going to talk about
that. I probably shouldn't have said a lot of the things I said. I
have my wife and kids in the United States still.

Stewart What does it feel like to assassinate someone?

Kavaja What the fuck?

Stewart After such an extreme life, it must be hard to settle down and
call it quits?

Kavaja It's not over. I still fuck good. I've got a couple of young
girls. You see this one here? Her tits! Her hair! I also have other
jobs to do, but we won't talk about that. I have money and girls and
that's a good life for me. I've got a house in Montenegro, a big
apartment in Novi Sad. I got this apartment in Belgrade. I'm set up.

Stewart I see pictures on your wall of Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini.
Are they idols?

Kavaja These are big men.

Stewart And big murderers.

Kavaja American presidents killed too.

Stewart How do you think you'll be remembered?

Kavaja Evil.

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