Linguistically: FYROM – from Bulgarian dialect to ‘Macedonian’ language

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

"Tito's efforts to consolidate pro communist national loyalty in the states republics (Yugoslavia) addressed "Macedonia",whose continued participation was threatened by Bulgarian nationalism(why??).When WWII ended.Yogoslav Macedonia was in a sticky position of creating a unique national language,history & cultureby any means (real or artificial)to justify it's existance separate from neighboring Bulgaria.

Macedonian nationalists, steming from IMRO's old pro autonomy faction, essentially plagiarized Bulgarian historical claims to Macedonia by substituting the term "Macedonian" for "Bulgarian" in all their arguments for a separate Macedonian ethnicity, which could be supported only by linguistic reality. That worked against them until the war.

Prior to the Macedonian communist partisans' mandating a modern Macedonian literary language(1944),most outsiders observers & linguists agreed with the Bulgarians in considering the Macedonian Slavs' vernacular a western dialect of Bulgarian. In the interwar period, Serbian was imposed as the official Macedonian language and the use of Bulgarian was forbidden. The Macedonian partisans established a commision to create an "official" Macedonian literary language (1945),which became the Macedonian Slavs' legal "first" language (with Serbo Croatian a recognized "second" and Bulgarian officially proscribed)."

The new Macedonian literary language intentionally was based on a dialect spoken in the central Varder area to remove it geographically as far as possible from Bulgarian and Serbian linguistic "contaminations". A separate Macedonian Cyrillic alphabet (including wholly new letters & a few Serbian characters) was devised to make the language different from Bulgarian. "Bulgarianisms" were replaced by folk substitutes, and modern Bulgarian, Serbian or Russian technical words and modern expressions intentionally were avoided in favour of Western (including American) terms. Literary Macedonian was as different as humanly possible from other slavic languages, being a veritable linguistic hodgepodge approaching the French meaning of macedoine when referring to amixed salad.

Led by Skopje communist linguist Blaze Koneski and given international recognition (1952) by Harvard Slavic Professor Horace Lunt, the highly artificial Macedonian literary language provided the communist-mandated ethnic validity for an independant Macedonian nationality. Over 4 decades of state socialization & education efforts may have succeeded in creating such an entity in actual fact"......

-Dennis Hupchick, The Balkans from Constantinople to Communism, 2002, p.430.

[KOKO]

The Czhech language, the slovac language, the croation language, bosnian language, they are all newer languages than the macedonian language, their standardization was some 10 15 years ago. If bulgaria and Republic of Macedonia were one country probaly we all would have one and same bulgarian language as oficial. Now since this is not the case a need of standardized language based on the dialects used by people living in Republic of Macedonia is obvious. Like czhechs and slovaks see no point in haveing one common language, and like croats see no point haveing one and same language with the serbs new language is standardized, this does not mean that this new standardized language did not existed it just means that previously the language was not standardized (was not official).

[Istor]

Agree KOKO,

But the name you attempt to call your language is copyrighted by history for another Language that is a Greek dialect. So in Macedonian Salonica is Thessaloniki while in your language is Solun!

btw, well come here.
Just don't avoid to answer when you are called to!

[Persey]

The bulgarinas should look for their language in Tatarstan or Mongolia

They had come on the Balkan in the 7-th century AD as stupid barbarians !!!

Cyril, Methodius, Clemente, and Naum were Macedonians

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Persey

The bulgarinas should look for their language in Tatarstan or Mongolia

They had come on the Balkan in the 7-th century AD as stupid barbarians !!!

Cyril, Methodius, Clemente, and Naum were Macedonians

WOW bold words from the individual who's grandparents strictly used the denomination BULGARIAN to describe themselves not so long ago.
But again, child you are simply incapable of comprehending that Bulgars and Bulgarians are two different people. Actually genetics prove that you FYROMians and the Bulgarians which you seem to loathe are almost identical.
So in the future, think twice about who you're calling barbarian and sending back to Mongolia, daddy just might slap you for it.

[Persey]

Your grandparents used the adjective Turks !!!

So what !!!

If I said that I am Macedonian

Bulgarians will say

Serbian propaganda

The Greeks say

Bulgarian propaganda

The Serbs

Bulgarians and Bulgars are the same people

They are tatars and mongols

Slovenians were in war with them

Tatars And Mongols never step foot on Macedonian ground

We gave them language, Culture, Folklor...

And now sure

They aren't barbarians

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[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Persey

Your grandparents used the adjective Turks !!!

So what !!!

Sorry to disappoint you but they never did, now if you're thinking of your own, if you're one of the Selimovski, Ahmedov or Memeti that were forcively Slavized well thats a different story and of no interest to me.

If I said that I am Macedonian

Bulgarians will say

Serbian propaganda

The Greeks say

Bulgarian propaganda

The Serbs

Of course they'll say somthing similar you fool. Your ancestors never stuck to one nationality. In the late 1800's you were Bulgarians, in the mid 1900's you became Slavs, now you claim Makednoi denouncing your ancestors, customs and traditions yet you question the rest of the world for calling the evident.. You people are brainwashed fools in desparate need of an ethnicity.

Bulgarians and Bulgars are the same people

They are tatars and mongols

Slovenians were in war with them

Tatars And Mongols never step foot on Macedonian ground

We gave them language, Culture, Folklor...

And now sure

They are Slavs !!!

You do have a huge problem with Bulgarians.. I see, you desparately need to disassociate yourself from them in order to prove that you are not part of them.. kinda reminds me of how you fools paid for that trash genetics paper that made you the laughing stock of the scientific community..

The things you can tell about people just by studying their reactions is indeed amazing..

[Persey]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

You do have a huge problem with Bulgarians..

buhahahaha

What is that problem !!!

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Persey

buhahahaha

What is that problem !!!

Not paying much attention are you?
Go up to my previous post and read part 3 of the responce.

[Persey]

The subject is...

Macedonia language is Bulgarian dialect

buhaha

I said that Bulgarian language is situated somewhere in Tataria, Mongolia !!!

Don't search bulgarian ideogam pictures in Macedonia !!!