Linguistically: FYROM – from Bulgarian dialect to ‘Macedonian’ language

[Euklid]

Originally Posted by makedonec

You people are "obsessed" with folsifying history.

Show us the falsifications....if you are worthy.

"Create"..."officialize" don't hide behind a toothpick.

Now truly if you ask us to be warm-hearted and allow you such a noble Greek name, you should make some compromise and accept the obvious.

You are artificial, you believe you are Macedonian's, we allow you to name yourselves Macedonians out of need for political and socio-economical stability in the Balkan area, but do not ask from us to falsify our History as it fits you.

Do not ask us to rewrite your History, just accept it. Its yours anyway. I understand you got some problem with the Bulgars, but please open your eyes and see the truth. The Serbo-Bulgarian political games must not be lifted by Greece's Arms. Get over-yourselves and let us live in peace.



P.S.: Ban the I.P. of this Niko dude, he is just degenerate.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Makedonec

You people are "obsessed" with folsifying history.
Get over yourselves, nobody created anything, the macedonian language was officialised after WWII, not "created".

its falsifying*

and please for your own sake if u are going to make a post like that then say exactly why and what my sources are wrong about. where are the innacuracies?

can you provide evidence of a language being called Macedonian before the 1860s?

Misirkov saw the light so why cant you?

[pankration]

The odds of convincing someone like Makedonec to see the light are as great as Greece winning the Stanley Cup (ice hockey). People like him dismiss historical evidence if it doesn't suit them. I've learnt, sometimes the hard way, that overcoming stupidity is an exercise in futility. However, we must keep posting on this and other forums so that others who might consider Makedonec's theories as truth can actually see real scholars presenting real information. I know it's frustrating but we must keep on.

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[Nikos]

Believe me, the story with the non-recognition of the Macedonian language is not so innocent.

There are many people in Greece who have studied in the University of Skopje and their diploma is not recognized in Greece.
The official excuse is that they have done their studies in a non-existing language.

Recently I was talking to a guy mariied to a woman from the city of Skopje. They are living in Greece.
His wife has studied Medicin in the University of Skopje, but she cannot practice her profession in Greece because her diploma in Medicine is not recognized in Greece due to the name dispute.

They have asked lawyers, politicians, experts, government officials etc and the answer was always identical: Her diploma will not be recognized in Greece as long as the name dispute persists because the Greek state considers that she has studied in a non existing language.

So this young lady has two choices:
a) Abolish her dreams and intentions to work as a doctor and focus on cleaning stairs in Greece.
b) She and her husband immigrate in order she is enabled to follow her career.

At the same time Greece recognizes diplomas acquired in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary where you practically buy the cources, and the higher amount you pay, the better score you take.

Therefore, each time you speak about non-existing language I want you to consider the consequences that this non-recognition has to people who live next door to us.
Right?

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Nikos

Believe me, the story with the non-recognition of the Macedonian language is not so innocent.

There are many people in Greece who have studied in the University of Skopje and their diploma is not recognized in Greece.
The official excuse is that they have done their studies in a non-existing language.

Recently I was talking to a guy mariied to a woman from the city of Skopje. They are living in Greece.
His wife has studied Medicin in the University of Skopje, but she cannot practice her profession in Greece because her diploma in Medicine is not recognized in Greece due to the name dispute.

They have asked lawyers, politicians, experts, government officials etc and the answer was always identical: Her diploma will not be recognized in Greece as long as the name dispute persists because the Greek state considers that she has studied in a non existing language.

So this young lady has two choices:
a) Abolish her dreams and intentions to work as a doctor and focus on cleaning stairs in Greece.
b) She and her husband immigrate in order she is enabled to follow her career.

At the same time Greece recognizes diplomas acquired in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary where you practically buy the cources, and the higher amount you pay, the better score you take.

Therefore, each time you speak about non-existing language I want you to consider the consequences that this non-recognition has to people who live next door to us.
Right?

at least we are doing some things right.

[Nikos]

at least we are doing some things right.

This is pathetic and no one will tell you bravo about this.

[Euklid]

I see that you have actually no idea about Politics.

The governments are like fish, the big fish eats the small one, thats how they were always from ancient times till now and thats how they will always be.

We are used on calling our government pussies and idiots everytime they do not adopt policies as such, now its time to give them some credit for looking out for the best interst of the Greeks and of the Greek way of life.

Hell, America goes to war for lesser things and its citizens applaud, and we are not even allowed to use some political cards agains a nation that is literally stealing our identity and that is literally trying to humiliate.

Politics is as serious as a battleground, one mistake and all is lost.

Flowers, love, and the idea "all is well", lets allow the slavoskopians to set up sites like the yahoo adventures is for the weak, the insecure, the ones wo have no will to make a change.

[Leonatos]

The majority of the Greek people agrees on our government's policy not to recognise this non-existent ''macedonian'' language.We have democracy, meaning that the majority always decides.If some people think that this policy is wrong or inhumane(?) towards others,then they are still a minority.We respect their opinion but the MAJORITY rules.This is how it works whether some people like it or not...

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Originally Posted by Nikos

Believe me, the story with the non-recognition of the Macedonian language is not so innocent.

There are many people in Greece who have studied in the University of Skopje and their diploma is not recognized in Greece.
The official excuse is that they have done their studies in a non-existing language.

Recently I was talking to a guy mariied to a woman from the city of Skopje. They are living in Greece.
His wife has studied Medicin in the University of Skopje, but she cannot practice her profession in Greece because her diploma in Medicine is not recognized in Greece due to the name dispute.

They have asked lawyers, politicians, experts, government officials etc and the answer was always identical: Her diploma will not be recognized in Greece as long as the name dispute persists because the Greek state considers that she has studied in a non existing language.

So this young lady has two choices:
a) Abolish her dreams and intentions to work as a doctor and focus on cleaning stairs in Greece.
b) She and her husband immigrate in order she is enabled to follow her career.

At the same time Greece recognizes diplomas acquired in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary where you practically buy the cources, and the higher amount you pay, the better score you take.

Therefore, each time you speak about non-existing language I want you to consider the consequences that this non-recognition has to people who live next door to us.
Right?

No disrepect intended Nikos, but many countires do not recognize medical degrees from other countries. Just a fact. You statment may be true, but I would like a source for it, if you like, I can look for evidence of other nationalities in Greece (and other countries) of foreigners not be allowed to practise medicine in EU, US, Aus, Canada, etc.

[Hellas7]

Originally Posted by Nikos

At the same time Greece recognizes diplomas acquired in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary where you practically buy the cources, and the higher amount you pay, the better score you take.

And somehow we are to believe in FYROM they don't do this??