The Ethnic and Historical origins of FYROM

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

How do you know that theres not such thing HP,Albanians from Kosova are called Kosovars as Greeks from macedonia are called Macedonians.Though Dardanian would be better.

TirAlb , I also think that the best characterization for "Kossovars" is Dardanians so ...Cossovo is DARDANIA ...ruled by Vardylis in late classical period , unifier of the Southern Illyrians. Or if you like it more accurately ..I think that Dardanians are the Kossovars of Illyrian descent and they are the maggiority in Kossovo.Analogusly , FYROM is PAEONIA before the great Bulgaro-Slavic settlements.

[Christov]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

I know that there are about ,20'000 of them in Kosova,and there are some gorani villages in north albania as well.As far as i know we have even an important politician,of gorani origin.
They are muslims slavs,they were ruled by serbia for a century,and they lived,next to Albanians.Probably they are of Bulgarian origin,but because of the serbian influence,of the muslim religion,that they share with bosniaks,and of the many common customs they share with albanians i think they are today even more confused then Fyromians.
To make it brief,they are the typical population claimed by everyone around.

Thanks for your responce! I remember some TV broadcastings with those "gorani", who's names sounds albanian, and the language sounds like old Bulgarian. There was no need of translation and it was real pleasure to hear it live. When asked about their selfconsideration, the answer is "gorani".

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by christov

Thanks for your responce! I remember some TV broadcastings with those "gorani", who's names sounds albanian, and the language sounds like old Bulgarian. There was no need of translation and it was real pleasure to hear it live. When asked about their selfconsideration, the answer is "gorani".

I think they are very similar with vllahs,their situation i mean.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Andrew

TirAlb , I also think that the best characterization for "Kossovars" is Dardanians so ...Cossovo is DARDANIA ...ruled by Vardylis in late classical period , unifier of the Southern Illyrians. Or if you like it more accurately ..I think that Dardanians are the Kossovars of Illyrian descent and they are the maggiority in Kossovo.Analogusly , FYROM is PAEONIA before the great Bulgaro-Slavic settlements.

What to say,i can't agree more.

[Cadmus]

What!and in Kosovo there didn't settle any Slavs ?
And what about Albania no Slavs either?

Sell that crap somewehere else!

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

What!and in Kosovo there didn't settle any Slavs ?
And what about Albania no Slavs either?

Sell that crap somewehere else!

Slavs settled all over BALKANS !!!!!! But where the pre-slavic identity was strong they didn't altered it and became absorbed by it

-Slavs settled in Greece , but got "Hellenized"
-Slavs settled in Albania & Kosovo & Bosnia-Herzegovina , but got "Illyrizized"
-The Slav element expressed itself where there wasn't great pre-slavic Identity and
that is the main reason why FYROMers are NOT MAKEDONES !!!!!!

«NATION IS THE HISTORICAL VEHICLE OF THE CULTURE THAT IT RAPRESENTS»

so ,it is the culture's continuity that matters not who settles and who goes

Ancient Macedonians were vehicles of Greek Cuture ..they vihecled it to Asia
...and BULGARIAN FYROMERS can't do anything about that...
...In the same way -Culturarly -DARDANIA (Kosovo) was always among Illyrian circles

[Cadmus]

Slavs settled in Albania & Kosovo & Bosnia-Herzegovina , but got "Illyrizized

So the Albanian language is Illyrian!????
Hahhahahaha!!!! your full of it!

...In the same way -Culturarly -DARDANIA (Kosovo) was always among Illyrian circles

And now the Kosovars are Illyrian-Dardanian???

HAHAHAHAHA your full of it crap that is!

Name me one serious scolar who admits on serious academic research that both Albanians and Kosovars are Illyrian /Dardanian descendants..

Besides you mentioning the Kosovars as Dardanians and original you forget that the Skopjian region was Dardanian also easier for you very paradoxal..

I don't know who sold you that bs and most importantly what brainfart malfunctioning caused you to believe such Albanian propaganda...

PS don't write in Caps it's childish and insecure.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Cadmus

So the Albanian language is Illyrian!????
Hahhahahaha!!!! your full of it!



And now the Kosovars are Illyrian-Dardanian???

HAHAHAHAHA your full of it crap that is!

Name me one serious scolar who admits on serious academic research that both Albanians and Kosovars are Illyrian /Dardanian descendants..

Besides you mentioning the Kosovars as Dardanians and original you forget that the Skopjian region was Dardanian also easier for you very paradoxal..

I don't know who sold you that bs and most importantly what brainfart malfunctioning caused you to believe such Albanian propaganda...

PS don't write in Caps it's childish and insecure.

The limits between Dardania and Paeonia was the Sar Planina Mountain

See NGL Hammond A History of Macedonia Vol I , Geography
Albanians are not Dardanians ..I said that the Dardanians were probably
Illyrians and some say maybe Thracians , but under king Vardylis they united the Illyrians and from then they go on with the Illyrians
And I never said that Albanian Language is Illyrian ..
..I said Albanians are the only with Illyrian names ...
..Can't you read !!!!

[HellenicPride]

What the hell is a Kosovar please someone explain to me. I have never heard of that term besides here and George Bush on tv. Thanks..

[Truth Bearer]

A Kosovar is of an Albanian or Serbian ethnicity both nationals of the newly created state called Kosova.What is an Austrian??