Are Bulgarians Europeans?

[Cadmus]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

I think as we are discussing the issue of the true origins of skopians and as we beyond any doubt have established the apparent fact that they are Bulgarians, and thus Bulgars there are further questions about their origins and as such their position within EU.
Bulgars arrived in Balkans in two groups the Asparukh group which colonised the areas of modern Bulgaria and the Kuber group who colonised current FYROM.
Those people are the descedents of modern Bulgarians and skopians.
Initially they were speaking a turkish language and their leaders used the title of Khan like the rest of the mongols.
They went through a process of a linguistical slavisition that crated modern bulgarian written in the traditional cyrillic script in Bulgaria and in serbian alphabet in FYROM.
Nonetheless their origins, their blood is mongol blood.
They have the same admixture of mongol blood like the turks wth the exception that they ex-slavised their language.
Nonetheless they do not have pure european origin but they are mongols.
Would this explain the proximity of Skopia with their Mongol brothers the turk and their decision to side them during the current commemoration of the Crime of Cyprus?
I mean they cannot prove as per the one drop rule their european origins.
They are mongols.
So whats their position in Europe anyway?

Paulos Melas...I am seriously dissapointed by you!
It is never righteous to generalize in public , you should know that.
Ever been to the south of Fyrom? do they look typically slavic and Mongol to you? do they?

So according to you the Slav invasion stopped at the current south Fyromian border with Greece, which everyone knows that there is a big plain between Monastir area and Florina /Kastoria...so the Slavs Mongols did not venture into Greek at all but preferred to stay in Fyrom 1500 years ago(on the imaginary border)

So the Greek maintaining their language rules out automatically that there is no Slav blood present at all...and the fact that Fyrom has a Slav language automatically proves that all the indigenous population got assimilated by the slavs and totally whiped them of the map..that is a rather simplistic and black and white approach.

So all the Paonian , Pelagonian, Upper Macedonian inhabitants got annihilited by the Slavs and dissapeared for ever of the face of the earth..

Damn the Slavs=Mongols were good at it? don't you think?

Besides all the people in the south of Fyrom i know and my family look very european..most have blue/green eyes as much almost as in Holland where i come from.

So you saying and generalising that all Fyromians are slav mongols i take that as a personal insult!

[Cadmus]

BTW your avatar looks like a Mongol!
now that's paradoxal! LOL

[Paulos Melas]

I think you should first short things out with your countrymen. Two threads ago we have someone distinguishing Bulgars with slavs and calling slavs subhumans???
You come here and speak for slavic invasion, and slavisation of the area.
Half of your country men try to purcuade the world that you are direct descedants of Alexander the great and ancient macedonians!!! In fact some have claimed that rosetta stone is written not in Greek but in "Macedonian" slavic!!
When you short out what is your propaganda policy lease let me now.

PS The only fact remains that Kuber Bulgars are the ancestors of modern skopians.

[Cadmus]

HI!

The features of southern Fyromians dont resemble Mongolic by far, now considering the Fyrom government and their policy is what im against at, they seem not to care for their own countrymen, they seem to put a name like Macedonia forthemselves above UN membership!

But my main point is to openly criticise and to generalise an entire community based on the policy of it's government is wrong,(allthough in a democracy the people choose their own government)it seems that most Fyromians support their government policy but not all....i personally know many southern fyromians who do not support it at all.

All the best,

[Paulos Melas]

Please have a look to the appearance of the true "Macedonians".
You can easily distinguish the similarities with the tall blond Greek macedonians of Alexander the Great with no asiatic features whatsoever!!!

[Cadmus]

What the ancient macedonians were tall and blond? aren't you mixing things up with Nordic countries..even Herodotus called only the Celts as tall and blond etc..???

How many Greek macedonians are blond tall and blue /green eyed? not many..

But you can take a look at southern fyrom there are many tall blue eyed and some blond features apparent!

What we europeans consider the greeks like from where i come from isn't exactly fitting your standards of tall and blond...

We think of the Greeks more like dark skinned and almsot all black /brown haired people...but what could you expect from such a sunny country...it isnt exactly Holland or Sweden now is it?

Where there is not as much sunny days like in the Balkans!

And you Paulos Melas do you look like a Swede?

[Paulos Melas]

As a matter of fact I do!!!! I am tall, blond with very curly hair!!!
Honestly, no joking about it.
Like my father, and my grand father.
And we are originated from Smyrni.
There are quite a few blond greeks trust me on that.
But no many like your countryman in the photo....

[Cadmus]

Show a picture!

My mom is from Fyrom and she has blond hair and green eyes...as many of her family have the same..(mostly green/blue eyes)..

My father is from the Netherlands and he has dark hair and brown eyes...very contradictionary i must add..i look like my father though...but with lightbrown hair and semi brown/green eyes...but before we turn this into a Dorian Greyish type of subject. i must add that a lot of southern Fyromians dont have the typical Slavic features, most dark skinned types are Albs ..really come see it yourself in Ohrid areas...LOL.

[Christov]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

I think as we are discussing the issue of the true origins of skopians and as we beyond any doubt have established the apparent fact that they are Bulgarians, and thus Bulgars there are further questions about their origins and as such their position within EU.
Bulgars arrived in Balkans in two groups the Asparukh group which colonised the areas of modern Bulgaria and the Kuber group who colonised current FYROM.
Those people are the descedents of modern Bulgarians and skopians.
Initially they were speaking a turkish language and their leaders used the title of Khan like the rest of the mongols.
They went through a process of a linguistical slavisition that crated modern bulgarian written in the traditional cyrillic script in Bulgaria and in serbian alphabet in FYROM.
Nonetheless their origins, their blood is mongol blood.
They have the same admixture of mongol blood like the turks wth the exception that they ex-slavised their language.
Nonetheless they do not have pure european origin but they are mongols.
Would this explain the proximity of Skopia with their Mongol brothers the turk and their decision to side them during the current commemoration of the Crime of Cyprus?
I mean they cannot prove as per the one drop rule their european origins.
They are mongols.
So whats their position in Europe anyway?

Paulos, as you see I quoted the beginning of your tread. Several things for you to take into consideration:
1. "Bulgarians" is the proper word in English, which is one of the choosen language in this forum. The rules must be respected!
2. Whatever the origin of the Bulgarians is, it is not a condition for being EU member.
3. What you believe is your bussiness, but your writings are going beyond any tollerance!

[Cadmus]

Paulos Melas but what about your Avatar?
Now that looks typically Khan Bulgarian Slavic like i must add LOL!