Are Bulgarians Europeans?

[Paulos Melas]

Mmmh I remember this chap his name was Basileios B' Boulgaroktonos or
Basil II the Bulgar slayer.
I have no recollection of the Greeks fighting together with the Bulgarians not even once in our history.
I remember though fighting together with the Serbs or being close allies with the Russians which are slavs.
So I would say that Greece hold strong alliances with the slavs but not the Bulgarians -who as you correctly demonstrated are not of slavic but rather altaic origin.

[Paulos Melas]

As for the Germanic people they are of european origin beyond any doubt.
They never had leaders designated Khan or other Altaic features.
It is like trying to compare the Germans with the Turks.

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

So I would say that Greece hold strong alliances with the slavs but not the Bulgarians -who as you correctly demonstrated are not of slavic but rather altaic origin.

What about Thommas the slav?

Or maybe you need another history lesson? How about Khan Tervel and the second arab siege of Constantinopol?

Bulgarian Aid

The Bulgarians, who had established friendlier relations with the Byzantines a year earlier under Khan Tervel, ostensibly because of the looming Arab threat, came to the aid of the besieged city in the fall of 717. Norwich states "The Bulgars had no love for the Byzantines, but they were determined that, if Constantinople were to be taken, it should fall into Bulgar rather than Arab hands." The Arabs were surprised by the new and unexpected enemy and his attack on their own camp, followed by a horrible massacre. Encouraged by this, the Byzantines opened the gates and attempted to break the siege, but were stopped at the Arab trenches and had to retreat back behind the city walls because of the following Arab counter-attack. This scene was repeated several times during the siege with the same ill success for both sides. The incessant Bulgar attacks in the rear of the Arabs forced them to build trenches also against the Bulgars. This way, however, the Arabs found themselves in a thin line between two fortifications, which were attacked both by Bulgars and Byzantines. After an unusually harsh winter, weary from the long attrition of siege warfare, thinned out by disease and hunger, and demoralized by the lack of success in assaulting the city, the Arabs attempted to retreat to their ships in July, but were devastated by a Bulgarian attack against their land forces. Contemporary chroniclers report at least 12,000-15,000 Arabs died in the first Bulgar attack.


Does this look familiar? This is a scene of the gifts the byzantines give to our ruler.

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

As for the Germanic people they are of european origin beyond any doubt.
They never had leaders designated Khan or other Altaic features.
It is like trying to compare the Germans with the Turks.

Bulgarians are sarmatic people. That is lready proven.

First... The language?
древнобългарският език . | Bulgaria
here is a map of the distribution of the bulgarian word Kushta:


second, the genetics:
The Unchangable Anthropological View of the Bulgarians - Pan Aryan Alliance




the archeology?





Or maybe history?
Pan bulgarian/Bolgar/Bulgar UNITY :: View topic - The Myth of Creation of Slavic-Bulgarian Nation in 9th-10th

the name - bulgar (bulg=bel=white)



or maybe the flag of Bulgars?

[Paulos Melas]

Thanks for the flags with the crescents
and for confrming the title of khan ( the most traditional title of Mongol emperors and of all people with altaic origin) through Khan Tervel.
Also let me remind you the Battle of Kleidion. So do not try to persuade me about the greek-bulgarian friendship which never existed.
Greeks are traditional allies with the slavs (russians, serbians, montenegrians etc)
Not with the Bulgars (both bulgarians and skopians) and not with the turks.

[Paulos Melas]

And also it is clear that the people of FYROM appear in the map as Kuber Bulgaria. Another confirmation of their origin.

[Demetrius Doukas]

Christov,

I personally apologize you. It si mu cultural view for the Balkans in general - with stressing predominantly to the Greek cultural aspect nothing against anybody, look at tankistabg he things his culture is better, everyone has different cultural preferences. I'm not saying that the Italians or the Greeks are up to the standard of the Greco-Roman culture they need also many refining so my statement is valid for them also)

[Demetrius Doukas]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

Thanks for the flags with the crescents
and for confrming the title of khan ( the most traditional title of Mongol emperors and of all people with altaic origin) through Khan Tervel.
Also let me remind you the Battle of Kleidion. So do not try to persuade me about the greek-bulgarian friendship which never existed.
Greeks are traditional allies with the slavs (russians, serbians, montenegrians etc)
Not with the Bulgars (both bulgarians and skopians) and not with the turks.

It is correct I think. Of course the things can change but I doubt it. Look at the scopians I'm almost shure that they will make alliance with the next enemy of Greece...........unfortunatelly.

[Demetrius Doukas]

Have a nice day, I'm living you.

special congratulations to tankista, christov, and of course Paulos Melas.

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

Thanks for the flags with the crescents

You are missing the point.

and for confrming the title of khan ( the most traditional title of Mongol emperors and of all people with altaic origin) through Khan Tervel.

Mongols didn't had the letter "K" their title was simply HAN and the bulgarians - with K - Khan.

"The title khan was also used as a military officer rank in certain armies, especially following the decimal organisation already known from Achaemenid Persia"

from wikipedia

Also let me remind you the Battle of Kleidion. So do not try to persuade me about the greek-bulgarian friendship which never existed.

Yes it didn't but, when it came to fighting the subhumans, we always united

Greeks are traditional allies with the slavs (russians, serbians, montenegrians etc)

that doesn't speak very good for you...

Not with the Bulgars (both bulgarians and skopians)

thank you for the clear distingtion from slavs.