dont you slavic me!!!!

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by edessa

so ah what exactly do you slavs want to be called?

Bulgarians and Skopians are not slavs - they are bulgarians, and the meta-group is iranic if you want so greater details.

HEre is what an international conference of all the leading scientist in the world in Kazan stated on Bulgarians:

Ã�úëãÃ*ðèòå ñÃ* ñ äðåâÃ*î-èðÃ*Ã*ñêè ïðîèçõîä - Actualno.com
Bulgarian Telegraph Agency

The Bulgarian origin was discussed in the conference in Kazan on the topic "Medieval Rus, Volga Bulgaria and the upper black sea region in the context of the russian east connections.

The doctor of Viena Univercitry Hristina Milcheva presented to the russian scientist the connections between the bulgarian and ancient-iranic culture.
She summarized the new consept of the protobulgarians from the 21th century view. Espesially she pointed out our state-creating tradition, our ancient religion, the ancient bulgarian calendar, the bulgarian art and some language specifical features.
The antropologist say that the most common bulgarian sub-race type of the protobulgarians is Pamir-ferganian. The bulgarian sanctuaries and Forthress were build in eastern tradition, and specific Iranic elements can be found. In the art, the protobulgarians used mostly iranic method, and very close to the schytho-sarmatian ones.
Bulgarian scientist were quoted for the terminology in the Cyclic calendar, brought to the balkans by the bulgarians, which is connected with east-iranic pamirian specific features.
Today more and more scientist point out the thousands iranic idioms in today bulgarian language/the family system, agricultural terms, names of places etc/ and its gramatical non-slavic features, which are left with no historian exploanation until today, said one of the speakers, and he also showed hopa that we will continue the search of our "lost codes" and we will decode them.
The report was accepted with applaus from leading historians like Igor Kazlasov, who agrees bulgarians originate from Pamir mountain. He believes ancient bulgharians were not of turcic origin and he pointed out the Murtfatlar inscriptions. Iurii Morgunov who investigates for years the Maiacian settlement said there were similaritites in the bulgarian and ossetian runes.

[edessa]

But what about the notion of panslavism and the red,white and blue flags...is that all a myth as well
i've never seen such a bunch of confused people in the world - you all speak the same language yet hate each other. Look, your just as bad as the skops, you plainly speak a slavic language yet believe you come from somewhere else. IF YOU CAME FROME SOMEWHERE ELSE WHY DO YOU NOT STILL SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE
OBVIOUSLY the slavs got the upper hand of your formal people (be they tartars, turkish mongals whatever) and made YOU into slavs. Whatever the case, i'd rather call myself a descendant of a slav than a friggin turkic mongal!

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by edessa

But what about the notion of panslavism and the red,white and blue flags...is that all a myth as well
i've never seen such a bunch of confused people in the world - you all speak the same language yet hate each other

The bulgarian flag is not White-red-blue like all the slavic flags(serbia, montenegro, slovenia, slovakia, russia... almost all slavic contries)

The bulgarian flag belongs to the iranic diaspora:
See yourself:



And the language was put on us by force. I reccomend you this:

The twilight of Bulgaria
Why am I writing this?
Because of this:

When I first got this in my email two months ago, I got angry at my friend who send it to me. And no wonder. He wasn't even a bulgarian. still, sometimes foreign people see more our own mistakes. He said to me:

Yes, he was one greek friend a student in Sofia University. I thought he was making fun of us. But was he?
Lets start with the language. Today word by word the iranic character of our former language appear like a boomerang. We threw them away, but we couldn't throw our souls. And yes, I was shocked at first, but we Bulgarians are talking slavic language. and we are talking it because of Boris 1. Sad - Boris in protobulgarian means a tyger. And the mad was no tyger - he was a rat. The legend says 52 royal families were killed and on there place were put 52 slavic families. They made the "churchslavonic" official. Why was that? From where these people came? Oh yes... Because of our victories. Khan after Khan, from Asparukh to Persian(oh yes we had a khan whose name is persian) we slowly enlarged the bugarian state. And the state became an empire... Of course it quickly rotten from inside as the ruling ething group in the empire suddenly become a secondary element. There is an old saying

Here we actually beated them. And absorbed them into our empire. And then... For some "political stability" reasons we lost our language.
Hmm... Whats next? Oh yes alphabet. Foreign? Cyrilic? WTF said at once, but danm my mate is also right here. We bugarians had an alphabet. Glagolics. and we used it for what? 50 years? Less. And for what? We replaced with some greek letters. This was the turning point for the final crush. Christianity. And not just christianity - christianity from Byzantium(our enemy back then)
It was pretty easy to convert people in christianity. Especially when all the leaders of the opposition were killed(killed? They were cut open). We still have letter from Boris to the Pope, asking if killing pagans is a sin, where the pope says "no child, you did a good job"... Why am I saying this? Because I want to let it off my chest. No more sickening theories. No more lies! We came and we conquered these lands with blood. I don't give a fcuk if someone feels bad about it. We did payed for our land with blood.
Just know that maybe bulgarians don't have their own language, their own alphabet, and theyr own religion anymore, but WE DO HAVE OUR BLOOD. AND WE WON'T GIVE IT FOR NO COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA.


History is not in books! Its in our blood.

[edessa]

Yes i agree that the bulgars are the only slavs to not adopt the trichoma of the red,white and blue (as well as the skops but that's another matter altogether) HOWEVER you cannot deny that you have slavic roots. We thought the skops are dumb - don't fall into that category as well

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by edessa

Yes i agree that the bulgars are the only slavs to not adopt the trichoma of the red,white and blue

We are not slavs. How do you want me to accept it.

Here is what the russians wanted us to accept as a flag:


Then the leading bulgarian intelligent people back then strongly refused.

(as well as the skops but that's another matter altogether)

As well as poles, Bosniaks, Belarusians.

HOWEVER you cannot deny that you have slavic roots.

I can.

Communist re-written history. They created fake books like the "slavo-bulgarian history by Paissius:


While later, the original was found and the title was "bolgarian history"

We thought the skops are dumb - don't fall into that category as well

Listen man - communist forced us for 50 years to be slavs. They invented new history.

[preston]

tankistbg..I respect your views friend but edessa and me...well how can we put it?..WE ARE FRIKING FED UP WITH THAT CRAP.
Your language is everything, you and them speak Slavic (Eastern and Western Slavonic) to be exact. Now when I met a person in the street and speaks to me in Chinese what m I going to make of his?...That he is from Holland??
If the language was forced on you..and you hate been in the Slav's category...then change your language!!!!

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by preston

tankistbg..I respect your views friend but edessa and me...well how can we put it?..WE ARE FRIKING FED UP WITH THAT CRAP.
Your language is everything, you and them speak Slavic (Eastern and Western Slavonic) to be exact. Now when I met a person in the street and speaks to me in Chinese what m I going to make of his?...That he is from Holland??
If the language was forced on you..and you hate been in the Slav's category...then change your language!!!!

What if I am an second generation Chinese in bulgaria, and I speak bulgarian. Does this mean I would be also slavic?

[edessa]

Originally Posted by preston

tankistbg..I respect your views friend but edessa and me...well how can we put it?..WE ARE FRIKING FED UP WITH THAT CRAP.
Your language is everything, you and them speak Slavic (Eastern and Western Slavonic) to be exact. Now when I met a person in the street and speaks to me in Chinese what m I going to make of his?...That he is from Holland??
If the language was forced on you..and you hate been in the Slav's category...then change your language!!!!

I agree - we hear it everyday from the skops. What's next, a russian coming up to us and saying there's no such thing as slavs
ps how can you say your not a slav, yet a fellow bulgarian (slavicwolf) doesn't stop saying it

[Tsontos]

Oh come on what is this? See this is what I hate about all the geneological theories and diagrams flying around the internet? Amatuer geneology and racialism has truly found its place on the internet.

So the Italians, because they have a red, green and white tricolor makes them "Alisek Bulgarians" and part of the "Iranic diaspora"?? Are you kidding me?

A few months ago we had a Turk on this forum claiming all Italians were Turks because of some gene study which showed ancient Etruscans were Turks!


Enough!


By the way here wikipedia has a good page on the tricolor, and beleive me it has nothing to do with any Iranian diaspora: Tricolor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Voulgaroktonos

Oh come on what is this? See this is what I hate about all the geneological theories and diagrams flying around the internet? Amatuer geneology and racialism has truly found its place on the internet.

So the Italians, because they have a red, green and white tricolor makes them "Alisek Bulgarians" and part of the "Iranic diaspora"?? Are you kidding me?

A few months ago we had a Turk on this forum claiming all Italians were Turks because of some gene study which showed ancient Etruscans were Turks!


Enough!


By the way here wikipedia has a good page on the tricolor, and beleive me it has nothing to do with any Iranian diaspora: Tricolor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm. The history of the bulgarian flag shows that this is not just cool incidence.
the white-green-red flag was proposed and first used by G.Rakovski. The same person who say this:

We are aryans an a good proov for it, is our contry name Bulgaria

and in two of his works, he prooves that bulgarians are not slavs at any kind
Ãåîðãè Ã�Ã*êîâñêè - Ã�îêÃ*çÃ*ëåö èëè ðúêîâîäñòâî êÃ*ê äÃ* ñè èçèñêâÃ*ò è èçäèðÿò Ã*Ã*é-ñòÃ*ðè ÷åðòè Ã*Ã*øåãî áèòèÿ, ÿçèêÃ*, Ã*Ã*ðîäîïîêëîÃ*Ã¥Ã*èÿ, ñòÃ*ðîãî Ã*è ïðÃ*âëåÃ*èÿ, ñëÃ*âÃ*Ã*ãî Ã*è ïðîøåäñòâèÿ è ïðî÷.
Ãåîðãè Ã�Ã*êîâñêè - ÎñÃ*îâÃ*è Ã*Ã*÷Ã*ëÃ* çÃ* áúëãÃ*ðñêÃ*òÃ* Ã*Ã*é-ñòÃ*ðÃ* ïîâåñòÃ*îñò
This works are before the liberation from Turks.

So to sumarize - the greatest fighter for the bulg-aryan cause back then is the one who choses the non-slavic, but iranic flag. What should that mean?