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Old 11-10-2007, 12:57 PM
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"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." - Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, 24 February 1999

"During the Yugoslav period, most of Macedonia's Slavic population identified themselves as "Macedonians"" - U.S. Department of State. URL: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26759.htm
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:59 PM
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:16 PM
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Boris 1 took the political decision to make the slavic language official in the Bugarian Empire. Empire, means a state where there are more than one nations. So in order to keep the slavs we conquered in Panonia and Romania, Boris decided to make slavonic official. The process was easened by the fact Boris killed all the aristocracy 52 royal families, and a lot of peasants.
But this makes very little sense to me. Imagine tomorrow the president of Bulgaria decides to make gypsy language official in order to keep the gypsies part of the country and forces the overwhelming Bulgarian majority to learn this language.


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attack is the most ultra nationalistic and ANTI SLAVIC PARTY
There is some big confusion in your party. There communists and nazis live side by side and everybody believes the party to be what they want it to be. Commies think it's a communist party while nazis think it's a nazi party. You are one of the nazis(although you deny it), but I've also seen a lot of commies. Everybody who is familiar with the bulgarian political life will confirm my words.


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Not that I fully suport this vision but he is definetely more right that the slavo-communists like you.
I couldn't care less about communism and panslavism. You are the one obsessed with it. You also confuse russophobia and serbophobia for anti-slavism.

And while you are on this forum atleast learn something. Watch what is happening in fyrom and learn what you should not be and what you should not do.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:44 PM
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And one more thing, tankista, please define "slav". For me "slav" is not an ethnic therm, I haven't heard anyone in Bulgaria to declare themselves as "ethnic slav". I don't think such ethnicy exist. For me "slav" is more a linguistic therm, we speak a language from the slavic group of languages, I hope you will agree with this? If you think the same, then afterall we might agree on some points.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:34 AM
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But this makes very little sense to me. Imagine tomorrow the president of Bulgaria decides to make gypsy language official in order to keep the gypsies part of the country and forces the overwhelming Bulgarian majority to learn this language.
Well, its making perfect sence. If you need anothr example see the Gagauz people. They were forced to abandon the bulgarian language and to use turk, or they would be killed. Gagauz in turk language means - shut up.



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There is some big confusion in your party.
I am not a member.
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There communists and nazis live side by side and everybody believes the party to be what they want it to be.
Yea right.
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Commies think it's a communist party while nazis think it's a nazi party.
Its an ultra right wing nationalistic party.
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You are one of the nazis(although you deny it)
STOP INSULTING ME!

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I couldn't care less about communism and panslavism. You are the one obsessed with it. You also confuse russophobia and serbophobia for anti-slavism.
Nop. These processes are quite the same. The only reason the whole world hates the slavs is because of those two nations.
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And while you are on this forum atleast learn something. Watch what is happening in fyrom and learn what you should not be and what you should not do.
First learn your roots and find out what is your heritage.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:35 AM
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And one more thing, tankista, please define "slav". For me "slav" is not an ethnic therm, I haven't heard anyone in Bulgaria to declare themselves as "ethnic slav". I don't think such ethnicy exist. For me "slav" is more a linguistic therm, we speak a language from the slavic group of languages, I hope you will agree with this? If you think the same, then afterall we might agree on some points.
There is also an meta-ethnic group called slav, with common feature - the presence of R1A

And I don't care if we are linguistically slavic. For me it matters that there is no such blood in veines!
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:46 AM
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Well, its making perfect sence. If you need anothr example see the Gagauz people. They were forced to abandon the bulgarian language and to use turk, or they would be killed. Gagauz in turk language means - shut up.
This example is incorrect. Turkish was the language of the empire, it makes perfect sense that it was promoted, the Turks were the ruling class and had a lot of influence. And now I ask again, why in the Bulgarian empire the slav language was promoted when the slavs were just some minority with zero political influence just like in the example I gave you with the Gypsies. Please ask yourself that question and you'll see it sounds completely illogical and doesn't quite explain what really happened. It depicts the proto-bulgars as complete idiots - to be the overwhelming majority but to abandon their language because of some slav minority who on top of that were some losers and subhumans (acording to you).
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:51 AM
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This example is incorrect.
Its exactly correct
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And now I ask again, why in the Bulgarian empire the slav language was promoted when the slavs were just some minority with zero political influence
LOL - Boris was 1/4 slav himself. HE was the biggest fighter for the slavic cause and and as the bulgarians said he was "traitor of his fathers glory".

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It depicts the proto-bulgars as complete idiots - to be the overwhelming majority but to abandon their language because of some slav minority who on top of that were some losers and subhumans (acording to you).

THEY WERE MASSACCRED BY BORIS AND FORCED TO ACCEPT THE NEW POLITAL SITUATION. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU EXPECTED?


THEY MADE A REBBELION, EXACTLY AGAINST THE SLAVS AND THE SLAVIC PARTY WHICH RULED.
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:08 AM
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THEY WERE MASSACCRED BY BORIS AND FORCED TO ACCEPT THE NEW POLITAL SITUATION. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU EXPECTED?


THEY MADE A REBBELION, EXACTLY AGAINST THE SLAVS AND THE SLAVIC PARTY WHICH RULED.
What are you talking about, tankista?

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Вие ни съобщавате, че сте покръстили поданиците си въпреки тяхното несъгласие, поради което избухнал бунт, заплашващ вашия живот. Хвала вам, защото сте укрепили авторитета си, като сте заповядали да избият заблудените овце, отказващи да влязат в кошарата. Вие не сте сторили никакъв грях, като сте проявили такава свещена жестокост; напротив, заслужавате похвала, защото сте унищожили враговете, които не са пожелали да влязат в лоното на Апостолската Църква и по този начин сте отключили Царството Небесно за подвластните ви народи. Нека царят не се бои от убийствата, ако те могат да държат поданиците му покорни или да ги подчинят на християнската вяра! Бог ще го възнагради за греховете на този свят във вечния живот.
How is that a rebellion against the slavs, it clearly depicts a rebellion against the conversion to Christianity. Care to elaborate, please?
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Old 11-11-2007, 04:15 AM
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Actually the true 100% Bulgarian alphabet was the Glagolics. It was used mainly in the Bulgarian empire and Croatia. Actually Croatia used it until 1913 when the serbians FORCED them to use latin script...

So glagolics is not a bad choise at all.
No, it is not!The Latin and Greek are much better.
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