When did the Slavs first come to the Balkans?

[Istor]

namecalligs? Do you care about those liars?

Yes, I 'll continue, be sure about that.

Now, you have asked a honnest disc in this forum and I have opened a new thread "Who is a Macedonian?" here: http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/29716-post1.html

I have called you several times to put your contribution there! Well, souldn't you say soemthing BEFORE I INSULT YOU ??? Wouldn't I be right to insult you brutally?

[Teukros]

Well the Skops start to believe that Slavs migrated to the Balkans in B.C. times now... since they cannot deny they are Slavs

[Christov]

Originally Posted by Jordan Piperkata

Istor you will see that there are more nations that will deny the Slavic migration theory.

Who? Name just few of them.

[slavicwolf]

i dont know if you guys have read this macedonist theory but they claim that when the roman empire conquered the balkans, the macedonians fled to eastern europe and spread their culture to the russians ukrainians poles ect, so the coming of the slavs is in fact the return of the macedonians to the balkans hehehehehehe even cleopatra was from some kicevo villige hehehehee. i bet the instigator of that theory was none other than their god and historian aleksandar donchevic donski. hehehehe
and yes can you provide which countries deny the slavic migration? also did you hear about the slavic union formin in minsk in Belarus? macedonia too is represented i think they might ask donski to go heheh

[effie]

I just got back from Australia two weeks ago and wanted to share with you something that has me convinced that I have become a little fanatical about the subject of Macedonia.

I went into a shop and was served by a young women who was speaking in some strange (to me) Slavic language with a customer. I asked her where she was from (her English was also accented) and she said "Albania" and right after the Albania she added "Macedonia".

I said, "Excuse me? How can you be macedonian if you're not Greek?" "Some Albanians are also macedonian," was her reply. I answered,"Only Greeks are Macedonians!". Afterwards, my sister told me I also pointed my finger at her as if I were a nasty teacher when I said that "Only Greeks are Macedonians!".

My sister dragged me out of the shop and, in amazement, asked me why in the world I cared whether this young woman said she was Macedonian or not.

Given that, that day a huge demonstration was taking place in Melbourne in protest against FYROM using the name "Macedonia", I became quite irritated.

My opinion is that second generation Greeks in other countries perhaps don't care as much as we do about this issue. Good manners are more important than the truth.

Effie

[Spartan]

Yeah I would probably say you did go a little overboard. Of course that is very easy to do when it comes to this issue. I believe you should have just started some discourse to find out further of what she thinks and lead her to the correct conclusion! Civility almost always wins out over anger.

[effie]

Originally Posted by Spartan

Yeah I would probably say you did go a little overboard. Of course that is very easy to do when it comes to this issue. I believe you should have just started some discourse to find out further of what she thinks and lead her to the correct conclusion! Civility almost always wins out over anger.

Thanks Spartan. I agree totally but this is sometimes hard to do, given the propaganda that is so rife and is being believed in other countries concerning this matter.

Effie

[ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ]

Originally Posted by slavicwolf

i dont know if you guys have read this macedonist theory but they claim that when the roman empire conquered the balkans, the macedonians fled to eastern europe and spread their culture to the russians ukrainians poles ect, so the coming of the slavs is in fact the return of the macedonians to the balkans hehehehehehe even cleopatra was from some kicevo villige hehehehee. i bet the instigator of that theory was none other than their god and historian aleksandar donchevic donski. hehehehe
and yes can you provide which countries deny the slavic migration? also did you hear about the slavic union formin in minsk in Belarus? macedonia too is represented i think they might ask donski to go heheh

Happy New Year, SlavicWolf !

The funny thing is this :
In FYROM schoolbooks, in the website of FYROM London Embassy, in other official State websites of FYROM, the Slavic Migration is accepted as a fact.

It is only in Diaspora FYROMians, as in Maknews of Mr. Uzunofski, that there are people frantically ttrying to prove the existence of Slavs in the Balkans BEFORE the 6th-7th century AD. They also maintain that the Pelasgians, the mythical people that Proto-Greeks found in Greece during the 2nd millenium b.C. when they entered the Balkans, were ... Slavs !

They try to read the Faistos script as a Slavic language, they try to decipher the Rossetta stone in ...."macedonian" etc. There are even others, as e.g. a Slovenian named Ambrozic, that in an archeologiacl Symposium presented a work "proving" that the well-known "Warrior Plate" of Lemnos, written in Etruscan and partially deciphered, can be easily deciphered in .....21st century Slovenian vernacular !!!!

They base their attempts in Alinei, an Italian linguist who presented the (unaccepted) PCT theory : Paleolithic Continuity Theory. In this theory, the Indo-European concept is rejected, and, in order to strengthen his theory, Alinei [very carefully indeed] makes the assumption that ancient Thracians MIGHT HAVE BEEN a Balto-Slavic nation.

Alinei is considered by the scientific community a sensasionalist and his theory is either rejected or simply ignored as lacking credibility.

They based their attempts in FLORIN CURTA, too : His book THE MAKING OF THE SLAVS is a bit confusing. But in a second book, SOUTHEASTERN EUROPE IN THE MIDDLE AGES 500 - 1250 AD, Curta is quite explicit accepting an URHEIMAT (ancient Land) of the Slavs the Lower Left side of Danube Basin [present day Wallachia] and the Carpathians (as you sure know, there are many proposals for the Urheimat of the Slavs). He also makes clear that Samoil, the famous Bulgarian Tsar, was actually Bulgarian and NOT "macedonian", as Diaspora FYROMIANS shout : The Kingdom of Samoil based on Ohrid ir correctly called by Curta "West Bulgarian Kingdom" and NOT "macedonian", as these crazy fanatics want.

So, the Curta argument is lost for them, but Alinei still insists on his worldwide rejected theory : His only followers are to be found in Maknews website !!

As we say in Greece " Mountains do not get crazy, people do".

[Nikolaz]

Hello guys,Happy New Year to all members of the Forum.

I saw someone told that many Slavic nations deny the Slavic Migration theory.

Thats true...
The best examples are the following:

-Slovenes think that they are "pro-Slav Veneti" (the pro-Slavs have been always there,according to them).
So according to this theory,they claim to have connection with Venetians,therefore with the Italians.

-Croats claim to be ancestors of the Persians.
Their theory is that the Persians who had conquered the Balkan Peninsula,settled in todays Croatia and stayed there until today...
Now, Iran and Croatia have the best relations....Iran considers Croatia to be its "child" in Europe....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL....

-We all know the case of Skopians...No need to analyze more hehehehe...

Only Serbians dont have this "inferiority complex" about their Slavic heritage.
I have many Serbian friends and when I ask them,they declare that they are "Proud Slavs"...

From my point of view I believe that this attitude is just an "inferiority complex" about their heritage...Why is it bad to be a Slav?
Why some nations deny their Slavic past and present?
Why don't they compromise with the truth?

[Christov]

Originally Posted by Nikolaz

Hello guys,Happy New Year to all members of the Forum.

I saw someone told that many Slavic nations deny the Slavic Migration theory.

Thats true...
The best examples are the following:

-Slovenes think that they are "pro-Slav Veneti" (the pro-Slavs have been always there,according to them).
So according to this theory,they claim to have connection with Venetians,therefore with the Italians.

-Croats claim to be ancestors of the Persians.
Their theory is that the Persians who had conquered the Balkan Peninsula,settled in todays Croatia and stayed there until today...
Now, Iran and Croatia have the best relations....Iran considers Croatia to be its "child" in Europe....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL....

-We all know the case of Skopians...No need to analyze more hehehehe...

Only Serbians dont have this "inferiority complex" about their Slavic heritage.
I have many Serbian friends and when I ask them,they declare that they are "Proud Slavs"...

From my point of view I believe that this attitude is just an "inferiority complex" about their heritage...Why is it bad to be a Slav?
Why some nations deny their Slavic past and present?
Why don't they compromise with the truth?

You know, every nation has lunatics, but they don’t represent the official opinions.