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Here is a good find by our Bulgarian friends in another forum. Ilinden Sorry for posting a link, but I am not certain as how to post it under a title! If anyone could give me directions as to how to do so I would appreciate it. ОТКЪС ОТ МЕМОРАНДУМА, ИЗПРАТЕН ДО БЪЛГАРСКОТО ПРАВИТЕЛСТВО ОТ ВОДАЧИТЕ НА ИЛИНДЕНСКОТО ВЪСТАНИЕ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- АN EXCERPT FROM THE MEMORANDUM SENT TO THE BULGARIAN GOVERNMENT BY THE ILINDEN UPRISING'S LEADERS "... Пред вид на критичното и ужасно положение, в което изпадна българското население от Битолския вилает след извършените опустошения и жестокости от турските войски и башибозук ... пред вид на това , че тук всичко българско рискува да загине и да се затрие без спомен от насилия, глад и настъпващата мизерия, Главният щаб смята за свой дълг да обърне внимание на почитаемото Българско правителство върху гибелните последици за българската нация, ако то не изпълни своя дълг спрямо своите еднородни братя тук по един внушителен начин, което се налага по силата на опасността, заплашваща общобългарската Татковина днес... Ни едно българско училище не е отворено, нито ще се отвори... Никой не мисли за наука, когато е поставен вън от законите на страната, защото носи името българин... Поставени начело на народното ни движение тук, ние апелираме към Вас от името на роба Българин да му се притечете на помощ по най-ефикасен начин - чрез война. Вярваме, отгласът е същий у народа в свободна България. Ожидавайки вашето патротическо вмешателство, приятно ни е да Ви съобщим, че държим на разположение въпръжените ни сили, които сме щадили до сега. От Главният щаб " ( Дамян ГРУЕВ, Борис САРАФОВ, Атанас ЛОЗАНЧЕВ) Меморандумът е връчен на д-р. Кожухаров, консул на Княжество България в гр.Битоля, който го препраща на правителството в София с доклад N441 от 17 септември 1903г. Част от текста е публикувана на стр.451 в първия том на книгата "Освободителните борби на Македония" (София, 1933, издание на Илинденската организация), дело на Христо Силянов - един от водачите на ВМРО ,а по-късно един от най-изтъкнатите мемоаристи и историци, пишещи за национално-освободителното движение на българите в Македония и Одринско. " Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian Fatherland... ...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the same. ... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the name Bulgar... Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now. The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising" Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola, and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from September 17th, 1903. A part of the text is published on p.435 of Macedonia's Struggle for Liberation (Sofia, 1933, edition of The Ilinden Uprising Veterans' Organization) by Christo SILJANOV - one of the leaders of IMRO and one of the most eminent historians and memoirists that have ever written on the national liberation movement of the Bulgarians in Macedonia and the district of Adrianople.
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Why? whats the difference Komi? Macedonian, Spartan, Pontian all are geographic al terms for us. WE ARE GREEKS. AS Greeks we are Macedonians automatically, even myself, when i have nothing to do with Macedonia. MACEDONIA is integral to the Hellenic identity. Alexander made it integral when he created the Pan-Hellenic council and a few years later, we standardized our language to the well-known KOINE. So even though i come from Sparta, i am more Macedonian than you are for the simple reason that i understand Macedonian by using my mother tongue, while you cant. Tough shit. |
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LOL, if there is something to be erased is your trolling behaviour in a serious thread. Go to General Chit Chat and ask whatever you want Istor or anybody else. ![]() And p.s. it will take you years to understand why i responded when i wasnt asked, infact it is highly likely that you shall ever understand the reason. |
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I just don't want you advocating Istor. he will answer my concrete question. Thanks in advance..
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The Ancient Macedonian, the Ancient Athenians, the Ancient Epirots and Ancient Spartans, became what we call now Hellenes thanks to Alexander. He created the Pan-hellenic League(actually it was his father, but he gave meaning to the term). And a few years after the unification, the dialects of Macedonia, the dialect of Sparta, of Epirus they vanished, they became ONE...COMMON Nation with a Common DIALECT, not just common Language but common Dialect. After the Ottomans we were scattered around in four cornerns in the world, when we had our independence, most of the diaspora Greeks came back, our first Governon was Foreign Minister in Russia(Kapodistrias), ofc all these issues are hard to understand for someone that has not felt the ethnogenesis and how it occurs pragmatically, and i do not belive that you are responsible for your ignorance. But after being here so much time, i expect you to understand a couple of things, also the internet offers access to libraries from every corner of the planet, why dont you give it a read. A Greek from New Zealand is more Macedonian than any Slav will ever be. And the reason is obvious, Slavs are Slavs Greeks are Greeks. Slavs cannot be Greeks and Greeks cannot be Slavs. Last edited by Euklid; 01-30-2007 at 11:32 PM. |
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