How should Vardarska be partioned?

[Istor]

We have a tresor to protect. Greek Civilization. That's why we shall be strong.

We have no problems with modern Bulgarians, just as we have no problem with Germans or Italians.

We could have no problems with Turks or SlavoSkopians despite past, if ...

Modern Bulgarians are not Bulgarians of 1940 or 1912. We shall never forget, but they did forget; I don't think that modern Bulgarians are proud of the times 1940-44.

The same goes with Albanians. Don't listen to some idiot warm-headed Albanians or Bulgarians.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

As for certain areas, yes, they do occupy what should be Ellas. All over that region, but really, on the most part (and places), that is not the real big issue. I do not care much for partitioning, but I do care that Hellenes and Hellenism be allowed to thrive in their own lands, even if it is a foreign Slav government. The true problem is the attack on Hellenism and the Hellenes. I could live with a thriving Greek population n Turkey, Skopje, etc. However, they have either murdered ( a favourite of the two mentioned), kidnapped then assimilated our children (again a favourite of the two mentioned), assimilated entire populations, or expelled the Hellene populations. Then we are potrayed as the bad guys, lol. That stuff in unacceptable. Really, the government in power in certain regions is secondary. On the flip side, as Hellenes, I would expect we respect any others. The Skops have to understand that repectr does not mean we lie on the groud and let them do as they wish to us. Furthermore, I do not advocate the ridiculous liberal guilt trips that have spread from North America to Europe (political bullies), but the non-political humanistic values we have. It's part of philotimo, it is part of our culture.

[pankration]

PhiliptheUniter is absolutely right. It is Hellenism that needs protecting not the territory. We cannot abandon our brethren in other countries who are being denied their right to celebrate their heritage, their "Greekness". His last statement is profound in its simplicity. We will have no "philotomo" if we allow xenei to tell us what our history or identity is. The political correctness that PhiliptheUniter refers to is more insidious and more dangerous than rockets being launched at us and the Skops have learned that by misleading the world public and appropriating our culture and history that they will win more converts than Muslim fanatics firing rockets at the Jews. The dialogue we engage in on this site will bear fruit but we have to keep at it.

[Makedonec]

I was going to open my own thread here, but you guys have done such a great job at opening all these discriminating threads towards your nothern neihgbour, that all i have to do is post in one of them since they all revolve around the same issue.


Thats a pic of the Alexander the Great Statue, which has been standing proudly in the centre of Prilep, R.Macedonia for the past to months. Last month another Alexander the Great statue was revieled, this time in the city of Shtip. Next will be an Alexander the Great statue in Ohrid, and a PhillipII statue in Heraclea lyncestis near Bitola. So im sorry to say, but macedonians are not about to start selling our their identity.

Now, since your dreams of elminating the evil "skops" and that little evil powerful "fyrom" which "threatens" greece, are only DREAMS, how about we get down to some real discussions, instead of just talking history.
First of all, if Greeks had some commen sense, they would understand that "fyrom" is perhaps a better friend to them than Albania or Bulgaria would ever be. Your only friendshiop with Serbia comes out of both your desires to eliminate Macedonia of the map, in the past and in the present.

The truth of the matter is that macedonians exist, and they havent had macedonian national conciousness since Tito recgnised them (hence, recognised- not created) macedonians have been around for alot longer than that.

The interesting thing is how come greece never had a problem with the name Republic of Macedonia while it was a state in Yugoslavia? Why did greece refer to greek-macedonia as "northern Greece" until R.Macedonia became a republic? It has been the policy of the greek government for the past 100years to eliminate any 'macedonia' within its borders, but that policy all changed to imbracing 'macedonia' once the R.Macedonia became independent.

The bottom line is this, R.Macedonia will exist, wether you like it or not. NO macedonian government will ever dare to change the country's name. Trust me they wouldnt change the name even if it meant not getting into the EU.
Whats the best Greece could hope for in the name dispute?
I think that if any agreement is ever made, the most mutual one would be for R.Macedonia to be called 'Upper Macedonia' or 'Northern Macedonia'... even that seems impossible for the citizens of MK to accept, let alone any other name alterations. So my greek friends, all the lobbying and demonstrations and crying in the world is not going to force you to change someone elses name and identity because you have no right to do so!.

Once again, since i dont have time for this kind of debates, which always leave to knowhere, all your questions are answered on www.historyofmacedonia.org or www.maknews.com

Cao.

[Makedonec]

One more thing, Macedonia's new Premier, Nikola Gruevski originates from greek-macedonia, meaning his father and mother were one of thousands of macedonians from greek-macedonia who were expelled from their homeland and had their lands, houses and posessions confiscated by the greek government and given to the newely arrived immigrants from asia-minor into greek-macedonia. Gruevski himself last week stated that Macedonia will never change its name because its citizens will never allow it, the only concession it can make is allow greece to refer to it in a manner agreed to.. but to the world we will be Republic of Macedonia.
You may not know it yet, but Premier Gruevski also said he will be the one to open the question regarding the macedonian minority in Greece.

[HellenicPride]

[quote=Makedonec]I was going to open my own thread here, but you guys have done such a great job at opening all these discriminating threads towards your nothern neihgbour, that all i have to do is post in one of them since they all revolve around the same issue.

Thats a pic of the Alexander the Great Statue, which has been standing proudly in the centre of Prilep, R.Macedonia for the past to months. Last month another Alexander the Great statue was revieled, this time in the city of Shtip. Next will be an Alexander the Great statue in Ohrid, and a PhillipII statue in Heraclea lyncestis near Bitola. So im sorry to say, but macedonians are not about to start selling our their identity.

Im glad that you honor one of the greatest Hellenes.

Now, since your dreams of elminating the evil "skops" and that little evil powerful "fyrom" which "threatens" greece, are only DREAMS, how about we get down to some real discussions, instead of just talking history.
First of all, if Greeks had some commen sense, they would understand that "fyrom" is perhaps a better friend to them than Albania or Bulgaria would ever be. Your only friendshiop with Serbia comes out of both your desires to eliminate Macedonia of the map, in the past and in the present.

I dont think anyone wants to eliminate the skops. I have not seen anything violent said regarding Skopjiani. What we do want is that they stop this nonsense and propaganda against Greece and Hellenic Macedonia. Skopjiani are not Macedonian they are brainwashed Slavs a product of Tito.

The truth of the matter is that macedonians exist, and they havent had macedonian national conciousness since Tito recgnised them (hence, recognised- not created) macedonians have been around for alot longer than that.

Again only Greeks are Macedonian.

The interesting thing is how come greece never had a problem with the name Republic of Macedonia while it was a state in Yugoslavia? Why did greece refer to greek-macedonia as "northern Greece" until R.Macedonia became a republic? It has been the policy of the greek government for the past 100years to eliminate any 'macedonia' within its borders, but that policy all changed to imbracing 'macedonia' once the R.Macedonia became independent.

They should have no right to use the name Macedonia. Macedonia is part of Hellenic history. The skopjiani should rename it to Vardaska its original name.

The bottom line is this, R.Macedonia will exist, wether you like it or not. NO macedonian government will ever dare to change the country's name. Trust me they wouldnt change the name even if it meant not getting into the EU.
Whats the best Greece could hope for in the name dispute?
I think that if any agreement is ever made, the most mutual one would be for R.Macedonia to be called 'Upper Macedonia' or 'Northern Macedonia'... even that seems impossible for the citizens of MK to accept, let alone any other name alterations. So my greek friends, all the lobbying and demonstrations and crying in the world is not going to force you to change someone elses name and identity because you have no right to do so!.

Once again, since i dont have time for this kind of debates, which always leave to knowhere, all your questions are answered on www.historyofmacedonia.org or www.maknews.com

Cao.

You are having wet dreams. Get over it. Face it you people have been brainwashed. You are Slavs and always will be. History does not lie. You are a communist byproduct. Its common sense. Atleast you are given the right to post on here a great forum which represents the real Macedonia which is Hellenic Macedonia.

[Sol_Invictus]

Nice statue!!!
Actually it will look like this in about 5-10 years , due to our Economical Investments in the Scopian region...
<---FYROM in 10 years (MAXIMUM)

[Sol_Invictus]

kisses...Filakia

[Hellas7]

Why did it take you so long to make a statue of Alexander? All these years and only in the last few months you make one? A little late....

This one has been in the real Macedonia for some time now....

[Hellas7]

Originally Posted by Makedonec

It has been the policy of the greek government for the past 100years to eliminate any 'macedonia' within its borders, but that policy all changed to imbracing 'macedonia' once the R.Macedonia became independent.

Explain to me this newspaper then (look at the date) which has existed for so long:





Or this building (society of Macedonian studies) which was build in 1934:



Explain them to me? There is so much more....