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Old 02-26-2007, 05:36 PM
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Wow clock ticking on our homeland! oh my god i am scared...Not.It 'll take much more then 3 "nations"(if albanians,turks & skops can be considered nations) to defeat us.What a joke.
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I would just like to add a few references to the alt.news.macedonia archives to show what a 'Human Rights Activist' Bill Nicholov is. Recall Akritas' earlier post in this thread that shows that Nicholov, along with Uzunovski, are behind the Human Rights websites that are pushing the neo-Macedonist agenda.

This is the type of mindset behind the "Macedonian Human Rights Movement" in the FYROM diaspora :

Example 1: Nicholov claims that there are 1,000,000 (!!!!) "ethnic Macedonians" in Greece:

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Democracy Greek style
Date: 1998/03/27
Message-ID: <351C1D2E.31996215@sympatico.ca>#1/1
Organization: Bell Solutions
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.greek

Paraskevas Platis wrote:

> On the other hand maybe Greece should do the job
> herself, it shouldn't take the Greek army more than a few hours to rip your
> so called "armed forces" to shreds and be in Skopia in time for a lunch of
> feta & tomatoes , sorry I'm not one for diplomacy .
>
> MAKEDONIA, ITANE, ENAI KE 8A EINAI ELLHNIKI!!!
>
> Paraskevas

Just like how you threaten the Turks. The Greek army, ooh I'm scared. How
will you get to the Republic of Macedonia, you have to pass through Aegean
Macedonia first. The one million Macedonians won't let you. Remember the Greek Civil War?

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija

"...Greece did not refer to any part of its current territory as
Macedonia until 1988, when Papandreou's government officially adopted the name Macedonia to replace that of Northern Greece. This point added weight to the notion that the dispute with Macedonia was a manufactured one."

William Dunn, as quoted in "Macedonia and Greece-The Struggle to Define
a New Balkan Nation", John Shea



Example 2: Nicholov's version of how the 'Macedonians' defeated the Germans in WWII and gained independence !!!

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: ancient hellenes and greeks
Date: 1998/03/18
Message-ID: <35104F67.606FB0B7@sympatico.ca>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 335395405
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Organization: Bell Solutions
Mime-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.greek

John Papadopoulos wrote:

> >
> > Hey "sir",
> > why so much hate for everyone who even just claims to be Greek? Have you
> > anything for accusing them? Why at least don't ask all these so called
> > by you "macedonians" living in Greece to perscribe the way they're
> > living? Go on, ask them whether they prefer to stay in Greece or leave
> > for the Skopjan Paradise... Their "party" gained, during the last
> > elections, 369 votes, so your statistic will not last too long.

Sorry buddy, in the latest vote, Macedonians got over 7,000 votes: (quote fromthe Greek Helsinki Monitor)

"In the June 1994 Euroelections, a Rainbow list was presented by MMBP, in
cooperation with the Rainbow group of the European Parliament (which includedthe minority and regionalist MEP's between 1989-1994). The list was
immediately strongly attacked and slandered by the state news agency and some media; then the country's Supreme Court invalidated its candidacy, on the grounds that it had not declared it was not aiming at overthrowing the regime,a declaration not used since 1974. Following the outcry, the Rainbow and two other leftist lists which were initially excluded were reinstated. The Rainbow list was the only one not to get any air time on state television during the campaign and was not able to distribute ballots in most Southern Greek electoral districts; also, on election day, GMH and MRG-Greece received
reliable information that the Rainbow ballot was not given to the voters in
many Greater Athens voting places. Despite all those problems, Rainbow
received 7,263 votes or 0.1% of the total electorate."

> They hate us because we kicked their Bulgarian arse three times
> Balkan war, 1st & 2nd world wars

Greeks kicking anyone's ass? Remember WWII, when the Greeks had to get their asses saves from the big bad Germans and Italians? Macedonians, on the other hand, defeated the Germans and achieved independence.

Since you call us Bulgarians, don't you wonder why Macedonians FOUGHT AGAINST the Bulgarians in WWII?

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija

"...Greece did not refer to any part of its current territory as Macedonia
until 1988, when Papandreou's government officially adopted the name Macedonia to replace that of Northern Greece. This point added weight to the notion that the dispute with Macedonia was a manufactured one."

William Dunn, as quoted in "Macedonia and Greece-The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation", John Shea
Example 3: Here our human rights activist, Bill Nicholov, stereotypes and makes comment about Greeks' sexuality. I suppose his human rights philosophy and his supposed compassion for humanity only applies to what conforms with his agenda:

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Stavrouli shut up!
Date: 1998/03/01
Message-ID: <34F99BDB.19D7A5EE@sympatico.ca>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 329753147
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <34F8A528.71DC@gate.net> <19980301094501.EAA201430
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia

LYNGOS 2 wrote:

> <<When, oh when did the aforementioned Greeks come in?>>
>
> Depends where "IN" is.
>
> Regards........L.
> --
> Regards to all.......L.

Considering most Greeks sexual preference "Lyngos", you're leavingyourself WIDE OPEN with that comment.

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija
Example 4: Here our "Human Rights activist", Bill Nicholov, expresses his true nationalist irridentist motives:

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Apostles to the Slavs (was: Our Slavic Apostles)
Date: 1998/02/24
Message-ID: <34F37B31.1B4A1B9@sympatico.ca>#1/1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia

Anastassios D. Retzios, Ph.D. wrote:

> Thessaloniki was never the capital of the province of Macedonia in
> medieval times. It was the capital of the theme (province) of
> Thessaloniki. The capital of the theme of "Macedonia" was
> Hadrianople. The capital of the theme of Strymon was Serrhes.
>

Solun is the capital of Aegean Macedonia. So when Macedonia reunites, do you think that Skopje should be the capital or Solun?

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija
Example 5: The 'Human Rights Activist', Bill Nicholov, peddling the notion that there were no Greeks in "Aegean Macedonia": a theme currently being peddled by Stefov, Uzunovski et al:

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: On the imaginary renaming of N.Greece...
Date: 1998/03/01
Message-ID: <34FA11E7.B31DD2D5@sympatico.ca>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 329870710
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia

Anastassios D. Retzios wrote:

> What will be your name for Greeks who are not only domiciled in Macedonia
> all their lives but for those as well whose families have a long and
> untinterrupted history of residence in Macedonia? In what respect are they
> different from your "Macedonians"? I would very much like an answer to this
> not only from you but from anyone who would like to give it a shot.
>
> Anastassios R.

Greeks have a very brief history in Aegean Macedonia. Most of them were shipped in following the Greek-Turkish war in 1922. So enough of this bullshit that Greeks have always inhabited Aegean Macedonia.

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija
Example 6: The "Human Rights Activist", Bill Nicholov, making a derogatory comment about the intelligence of Greeks. Is this not an expression of racism by our "Human Rights Activist", Bill Nicholov? What happened to Nicholov's concern for human rights and principles?

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Macedonian Parents
Date: 1998/08/23
Message-ID: <35E02ED1.90B86773@sympatico.ca>#1/1
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia

Pantelis Morfopoulos wrote:

> OH, and what would a MaKedonian name be like ?????
>
> ESETAI IMAR
>
> ilin...@sympatico.ca wrote in message <35DFA382.5...@sympatico.ca>...
> >The Macedonian parents don't have the right, in Greece, to baptize their
> >own child with a Macedonian name. If you want to baptize your baby you
> >have to give it a Greek name. This is a mandatory law in Greece! Greece
> >is a member of the European Union. That makes me laugh! They lied when
> >they joined the E.U. The Greeks don't believe in human rights for anyone
> >except themselves.
> >Ilinden

Pantelis, don't you know how to post a reply? If you haven't noticed,
everyone else replies at the end, not the beginning, of a post. But you're Greek, you're not that intelligent.

Anyway, you ignored Ilinden's point. You cannot baptize a baby with a
Macedonian name in "Greece". Reply.

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija

"...Greece did not refer to any part of its current territory as Macedonia
until 1988, when Papandreou's government officially adopted the name
Macedonia to replace that of Northern Greece. This point added weight to the
notion that the dispute with Macedonia was a manufactured one."

- William Dunn, as quoted in "Macedonia and Greece - The Struggle to Define aNew Balkan Nation", by John Shea
Example 7: What would the "Human Rights Activist", Bill Nicholov, like to do once 'Macedonia' is re-united???:

Quote:
From: Bill Nicholov <nicho...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Apostles to the Slavs (was: Our Slavic Apostles)
Date: 1998/02/28
Message-ID: <34F8579B.F9C3B99F@sympatico.ca>#1/1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia

Anastassios D. Retzios, Ph.D. wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Are you having wet dreams again? And...do you really want "Macedonia"
> to "reunite"? Greek Macedonia is more populous and much richer than
> FYROM. Do you want the FYROM citizens to become the garbage
> collectors, waiters, construction workers, cooks and dishwashers in
> Thessaloniki? They will have to learn Greek too!!!
>
> Actually, now that you mention it, this unification may be a good
> idea!!!!

Maybe when Macedonia reunites, Macedonians will change the names of Greeks, make the Greek language illegal, expel the Greek population, etc. It would be nice to turn the tables.

Bill Nicholov

Macedonia for the Macedonians
http://www.geocities.com/~makedonija
This, my friends, is one of the characters behind the "Macedonian Human Rights" websites that are pushing the same themes. Also notice his constant references to John Shea, the author Ptolemy exposed in a different thread. It seems that Stefov/Stefou is also using Shea as a bible. It's the same cast of characters promoting the same ideas on the net.

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What a Great Man and Human Righter!

This guy has no grasp on reality! I love the ones where the "Macedonians" fought the Germans and achieved independence!

Who are these "Macedonians"? Oh he means Bulgarians and Serbs who live in the Region of Macedonia.!

I also wonder if his country gained independence why were they still part of Yugoslavia until 1991?

What an idiot!
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Voulgaroktonos these geocities sites created from x-Uranio Toxo member(MAKIVE) and now defender of the Bulgarian rights in Macedonia.His name is Nikolas Stoyanoff or Nikolaos Stoides.

As Pavle Filipoff also and this guy is retrirement public employee

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Are you serious? this guy is an ex-rainbow party member? i want to laugh but i feel sick as well
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Are you serious? this guy is an ex-rainbow party member? i want to laugh but i feel sick as well
is not the only one

Done Kotsoroff(v) or Antonis Katsares, Secretary Bulgarian Human Rights.In the below picture you can see him with Lubi Georgievski ( also x-FYROMacedonian , now Bulgaromacedonian).

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the waters are getting very murky for our SlavoSkopjian friends
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Do forum members not think that "uncovering" the real names of admins of other sites is an extreme action?

We all use pseudonyms when posting to various forums, including this one.

If propaganda and misinformation exist they should be counter-acted with truth and solid arguments, not by attacking the privacy of your opponent.

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