The mongoloid origins of the turks

[Ionian Sword]

A brief summary of the early history of turkish tribes and their mongol origins. Turks go back to Siberia and Mongolia! Ekei ekei, pisw ws tin Kokkini Mhlia!!

The Turkic people originated from the northern branch of Mongoloid that initially inhabited around the lake Baikal in Siberia. Also based on scripts and excavations it is known to scientists today that one of the earliest known Turkic people, the Quanyi, lived in Ordos and Inner Mongolia. They shared ancestors with other Altaic people like Mongols and Tsungusic people. The Turks/Turkut/Tujue was originally pure mongoloids, like mongols.
After their conquest of Central Asia, they mixed with some White people who occupied oasys cities in the Tarim Basin at that time. After that they were more like Mongoloid still, but they were not pure Mongoloids either but still they kept the mongol spirit of their forefathers and still their language was mongol as most of their customs and uniforms also. Turkic peoples in general, incluiding the Tu Jue, the Ding Lin and Gui Fang and the rest of the Turanians as well were recorded from Chinese scripts of the time to have slanted eyes, long but not thick facial hair and lots of body hair (body hair was a feature they got after mixing with the few withes they conquered as body hair is something that pure mongols dont have).
The Tujue/Turku/Turuk/Turks were divided cause of their gerography location into two basic and very simmilar groups (each group consists also of many smaller groups of Turkish/Turanian tribes) : The Eastern turku (Dong Tujue) and the Western turuk (Xi Tujue). In the 7th century, during the time of Ishbara Khaghan, the Western turku was re-organised into ten tribes and were given the name On Okh ("Ten Arrows" meaning Ten Tribes, in the language of another turanian turkish tribe it means ten allies). This On Okh was divided into two groups: the Nushibi (West) and the Tolu ( East). The On Okh also incluided the Turgish and Pecheneg Turks, the Turgish later disappeared from history after 766 (they probably assimiliated into the Kharlukh Turks and later the Oghuz Turks). The Pechenegs migrated to Eastern Europe but they were massacred by the Khypchakh Turks in 1092 . The remaining Pechenegs melted in the European Oghuz and Khypchakh Turks.
The Eastern turku people became subjects of the Orkhun Uyghur Khaghanate (another Turkish/turanian tribe that united under its control the rest tribe at this time)also known as the Tokhuz Oghuz-On Uyghur Khaghanate. In 840, the fierce Khyrghiz (another turkish/turanian tribe) invaded Mongolia and destroyed the Uyghur Khaghanate; the Uyghurs migrated to Turfan and Kansu, where they founded two smaller khaghanates.
The Orkhun Uyghurs (composed of Ten Tribes) were living together with the Tokhuz Oghuz (Nine Tribes). However, in 840, when Mongolia fell in chaos, the turku disappeared, the Uyghurs scattered to two regions and the Tokhuz Oghuz were left alone. These Nine tribes migrated to Western Turkistan after 840 and settled on the plains north of the Aral Sea and Syr-Derya. There, the Nine Tribes mixed with some other turkish tribes who inluided Turkic and a few Iranic ramnents, some of the original tribes splitted and re-arraned to form new tribes; thus forming the OGHUZ TURKS (Uz/Uzoi in Greek, Tork/Torki in Russian, Ghuz in Arabic). During the 10th-11th centuries, these Oghuz were made up of 22 tribes (as a result of mixing and re-arrangements). During the 12th century (ot after the 1070s), they became 24 tribes.
The Oghuz had established a state north of the Aral-Syrderya. This state was destroyed by the newly-arrived Khypchak-Kuman Turks (who had broken from the main Kimek Turks in Sourthwestern Siberia; the Kimek were the descendants of the Chik people) in 1030; some of the Oghuz fled to the Pontic Steppes (where they were named as Torki by the Russians) and later migrated to Romania-Dobruja-Moldova. Most of the larger body of Oghuz gathered around Selchuck/Selchur/Salchukh Begh (son of Commander Dukhakh from the Khynykh tribe) and became Muslim; they first migrated to Transoxiana but they were expelled from there by the Khara-Khanid Turkish Dynasty. The Muslim Oghuz (called Turkman/Turkoman or Turkmen meaning "Muslim Turks") then fled to Khorasan-Turkmenistan. There, a small group of them broke and went to Iraq (who formed today's Iraqi Turkmans). Some of the larger body stayed there and became the Eastern Turkmans while yet a larger group went to Iran, Armenia-Azerbaijan and finally to Anatolia/Ionia. As you know, the "Byzantine" Greek army was defeated by the Salchukhid/Selchuid sultan Alp Arslan in August 26 1071; after the battle, thousands of Turkmens (still calling themselves as Oghuz, which was abandoned after the 11th-12th centuries) entered Anatolia/Asia Minor and settled there. In the 13th century, a new wave of Turkmens entered Anatolia; this time, these Turkmens were a large group of the Eastern Turkmens fleeing from the Mongol Invasions. Among the second wave of migrations was the Khay tribe which later established the Osmanli or Ottoman Sultanate.
The Khay founded the Ottomans, the Khynykh founded the Salchukhids/Selchuchids, the Afshars founded the Kharamanids and Qachar Dynasty in Iran. All were Oghuz Turks. The modern Turks in Anatolia and Balkans are the general mix of Turkmens who migrated to Asia Minor with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Slavs. The Iraqi Turkmens are the smaller group that broke away in Khorasan. The Turkmens in Iran , Khorasan, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan are the Eastern Turkmens. The Muslim Oghuz that settled in Azerbaijan were re-named as Azeris.
The Western Turkmens, Eastern Turkmens and Azerisall are from the Oghuz. The Oghuz are the mixture of Tokhuz Oghuz and other turkish tribes. The Tokhuz Oghuz are one part of the turanian/turkish nation, who descended from the Ding Ling. And those are what we call today Turks. But its well known that those are not the only Turks; There are also the Uyghurs, the Kutrigurs,Oghuz/T.Oghuz, Khazars, Sabars,Avars,Tatars, Mongols, Khouns,Huns, Hunogundur, Oghurs, Khyrghiz, Kharlukhs, Turgish, Pechenegs, Khypchakhs, Kimeks, Kumans and many many other turanian/turkish/mongoloid tribes.

Here is a statue of Kul Tegin born in 685 and died in 731, he was the high commander of Eastern Türük armies, one of the greatest warlord of the turkish tribes and one of the greatest hero's for Turks today. This statue is located in the Museum of Ulaanbaatur, capital of Mongolia. The strong mongol features are presented in his head statue clearly. A typical turanoid mongol.

[akritas]

lol
I had a debate recently in the net54 forum regarding this issue.
Searching I found this amazing article from a Turk proffessor(not brainwash) Dr. Ahmet TAήAΠIL,TURKISH - MONGOLIAN RELATIONS

.........Turks and Mongolians which placed together on the scene of Central Asian History lived for thousands of years side by side and sometimes together. This togetherness, with otherwords, brotherhood continued sometimes with friendship and sometimes with struggles. The linguistic proximity of this two community is already known. The togetherness in Central Asia that started from the very early stages of the history continued till the past centuries. In the analysis of this togetherness there are two dimensions; political relations and cultural relations. Political relations include relations of war and peace rather, a multidimensional struggle which is a result of sharing the same territory. The cultural relations includes the proximity of maintaning the similar life styles with minimal differences which is the result of living together. Although some differences occured as a result of Turkish communities moved firstly to Western Central Asia and than to the front Asia in the second part of 10th century, relations with Turkish origin communities like “Kipchak”, Kirghiz and “Uyghur” continued for centuries.


............They developed all kind of cultural and political relations. This relation was so close that sometimes Turkish tribes Mongolianised, and sometimes Mongolian tribes Turkisized. As a result of this situation, many times the sources couldn’t decide which tribe is Turkish or Mongolian, they accepted them both Turkish and Mongolian.

[HellenicPride]

Ofcourse Turks are Mongols. I just finished a reading a book Genghis Khan and it this books constantly mentions Turkish tribes that lived in Mongolia. I would be more than happy to post the name of the book author and passages.

[Tsontos]

Turks and Mongols share linguistic and geographic origins but they one people. Mongols enslaved turks for thousands of years

[Attila]

Decide beeing a racist or religionist.

If you tell mongoloids (Turanian people) "Go back to siberia" then you must have something to say about Hungarians ( Magyars ) too .

This reality is well known. Check the "Turanian Map" and "Turanian People" in a Hungarian website below:

w w w.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.html

They are also speaking an Altaic Language.

Their country is even known in English "The Hun's Land"

And the using frequence of Turanian names such :

-Attila
-Kublai
-Okan
-Mete

are even equal with Turks .



Do you have a plan for them ? Or to be a christian makes them allowed to stay in their geography ?

If you'r beeing racist, tell also Hungarians "Go Siberia back "
If your concern is "religion" then tell Bosnians "Go to Afghanistan"

-In my opinon, both are pretty foolish. I just wanted to share some information with you . Good Luck on your discrimination business.


Kind Regards

[Truth Bearer]

So what's your point Attila you are in denial of yr central asian ancestry?

[Tsontos]

Attila, Turks have nothing do with Huns or Mongols ethnically apart from the fact they belong to the Turkic language family. You Pan-Turkists have similar theories to the who conveniently forgot lingusitic, historical and other anthropolical factors by trying to suggest that all Indo-Europeans were Germanic "Aryans", when in reality all they shared was common lingusitic family.

[Attila]

Truth Bearer, I am proud of my central asian ancestry.Nothing's wrong from beeing from central-asia.Japanese are asians, and Albanians are europeans.

Voulgaroktonos, the website i posted you is not made by a pan-turkist and Turan is even not a theory which was told by a Turk or Mongolian first.

I didnt know our pan-turkists were claiming something about Indo-Europeans and like they are all germans. Thanks for informing me. (I even didnt know they had some works about it - if you share the source, i will be glad reading it)

I simply refuse discussing people who has nothing to be proud except their racial theory. I wont move further in this way of discussion, i have just posted you this for making you a decision between religion or race -which might be conflictive to each other sometime-

i think a probablity which makes you confuse about Turks ; you dont need to analyze their races correctly to hate them. And I met Mongolian people who were very honourable, they are even not aware of problem between Greece-Turkey , so i think they dont deserve such a 'hidden' mass-insult about an issue they have nothing to do with. Because to be mongolian is not a crime , even not an important thing.

As a result, what you need will be given always by some theories and they even dont need be satisfied by science or logic.Much effort about such theories may make you feel more pleased about your final feelings, but therefore it has no different than masturbation .

Your feelings are understandable, and what you feel is what you need. So, you are free to hate Turks, but just know its a neccesity.

As a psychatry law, trying to find the scientific reasons or proofs for your belief or feelings may take you in a foolish position , just beware of this .


Kind Regards.

[Tsontos]

So because one doesnt beleive the pan-turkist crap about the "Turkish nation" being one ethnic unit from Budapest to Ankara to Tokyo means he hates Turks?

We had a Turk on here posting pictures of Turks from around the world and in them he included a pic of Gennaro Gatuso because some Turkish 'scientist' had found genetic connections between the "Anatolians and the Etruscans". Its just ridiculous

[terastios]

I always thought that's a well known fact!
Turks are Mongols!