A question about Jesus and the Gospels

[Lakonian]

Hi, dont mean to go way out of Hellenic topics, but this figure has influenced not only Hellas but the whole world. So my question is this.

What was Jesus doing between the day he was born, and well the last few days. Please dont reply with an answers such as "he was making stools and tables" or "he went to find god".

They say Jesus died around 33? Now they say Mark was the first Gospel, then Mathew Luke and John followed deriving there writing naturaly from his Mark mentions the destruction of the Jewish temple which happened in the year 70 A.D right, the gospels came much later then that year....we have gap of 40 decades or more....why?
I mean Jesus at this time would have been a power figure, and no one bothered to be by his side and take accounts. No historias! Not even a Greek or a Roman historian to write about this man while he was alive! Why?

Has anyone got any theories because its kinda dark for me, and im sure many of you. Why do we so confidently walk into a church and think we know whats going on? Why do we wanna believe so much about something we dont even understand? What ever happened to being practical like our forfather taught us, Socrates?

I hope no one is offended by this post my friends, but i just wanna know thats all.

[Orphic_Hymn]

You mean 4 decades, the theory is that it was either written prior to the destruction and should be perceived as a prophecy or that it was written after and intentionally put into His mouth to seem as such.

[Lakonian]

Anyone else. ( yea sorry i ment 4 decades, you wanna laugh the other day i asked for 12 dozen oysters!)

[Lakonian]

"For when they say that Dionysus arose again and ascended to heaven, is it not evident the devil has imitated the prophecy?" ---Justin Martyr, Church Father.100 A.D ---165 A.D

Writings of Justin



1.The First Apology addressed to Antoninus Pius, his sons, and the Roman Senate;
2.a Second Apology addressed to the Roman Senate;
3.the Discourse to the Greeks, a discussion with Greek philosophers on the character of their gods; 4.
4.a Hortatory Address to the Greeks;
5.a treatise On the Sovereignty of God, in which he makes use of pagan authorities as well as Christian;
6.a work entitled The Psalmist;
7.a treatise in scholastic form On the Soul; and
8.the Dialogue with Trypho.

He goes on to say that Greeks borrowed philosophy from The Old Testament such as LOGOS, and that Christianity copletes the LOGOS? He uses Plato, Stoics, Heraclitus as taking steps to a one God (major misperception by many)....


Why such negative/ uneducated feedback by the early and modern church fathers in regards to evidence of Greek Christ's like Hercules, Dionysus, Socrates etc

No one believes in them now, we have made them into sex and comic book figures....what makes Jesus so real?

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

What ever happened to being practical like our forfather taught us, Socrates?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Originally Posted by Lakonian

What makes Jesus so real?

AHAHAHAHAHA.

Come on, you know the answer.

Anyway, it's a bit weird how every gospel/evangelist writes different accounts of his life too, and many things appear only by one person.

What troubles me, is what he did between 10/12 and 30 years old.

As a child he is seen around the age of 12 talking with the rabbis in some synagogue and then we meet him again 30 years old...

Many propose he travelled to the far east, came in contact with those cults in Tibet and stuff and then returned to preach everything with a jewish flavor...

But I don't know if any of this is true.

[Lakonian]

Can someone giove me an answer please? Anyone i could to talk to about ths? Theologists in Sydney who will take there time to discuss this with me?
Can i speak to a Greek priest about this? Your help will be appreciated guys.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

He uses Plato, Stoics, Heraclitus as taking steps to a one God (major misperception by many)....

Why such negative/ uneducated feedback by the early and modern church fathers in regards to evidence of Greek Christ's like Hercules, Dionysus, Socrates etc

Not really the one to answer your questions but here are some thoughts..

Well Plato in his Timaios does indeed mention a "Creator" (δημιουργὸς) several times, Plotninos speaks of the "One", Orpheus talks about (Μῆτιν, Φάνητα, Ἐρικεπαῖον·) being not only 3 powers of the same God but actually three unique entities that complete eachother indicating something related to the notion of the "holy trinitry".. these among several others, are all thoughts which later gave birth to Christianity..

Besides Doinysus, which was a God and the story of his ressurection, I don't see why you'd consider Herakles or Sokrates someone comparible to "Christ".

[Lakonian]

Well if you look at Hercules and Socrates life they both sacrificed themselves for reasons which project Christ like deeds.

We have Hercules, who made wonderings confronted himself and accepted he made sins in life, he then took a cleansing path which involved the 12 labours for man kind, or perhaps to find his way to imortality.

Socrates on teh othetr hand was potraid as a sinner and a corruptor of youth or for brain washing etc...Jesus to was potraited as this by the Rabi...condemned to death by the Greek courth, Socrates was also asked by one of his pears to escape with them, Socrates refused and welcomed death as new life, Christ was also asked to escape death he refused for the same reason...........

[edessa]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

Well if you look at Hercules and Socrates life they both sacrificed themselves for reasons which project Christ like deeds.

We have Hercules, who made wonderings confronted himself and accepted he made sins in life, he then took a cleansing path which involved the 12 labours for man kind, or perhaps to find his way to imortality.

Socrates on teh othetr hand was potraid as a sinner and a corruptor of youth or for brain washing etc...Jesus to was potraited as this by the Rabi...condemned to death by the Greek courth, Socrates was also asked by one of his pears to escape with them, Socrates refused and welcomed death as new life, Christ was also asked to escape death he refused for the same reason...........

You want the church fathers to recognise a myth (hercules) as being comparible to Christ...i think we all need to understand the difference between Christianity and ancient greek folklore, and the fact that Hercules (im trying not to laugh) and Socrates did not raise from the dead!
Laconian you will always find positive/negative arguments in topics such as this. There is no clear answer and relies solely on faith, personal experiences with religion, upbringings etc

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by edessa

You want the church fathers to recognise a myth (hercules) as being comparible to Christ...i think we all need to understand the difference between Christianity and ancient greek folklore, and the fact that Hercules (im trying not to laugh) and Socrates did not raise from the dead!

And il try not laugh when you believe a man rose from death just because you read it aswell.Your a smart cookie arent ya.

You say Hercules is folklore...and exactly how do you know? You mean to tell me these people who brought the world to light , science, maths, astronomy and philosophy where that simple they believed in folklore? I think you and many others need to keep an open mind, i myself believe only in science, sometimes i see or hear things that tap into my spiritual side, but i will not stand by and hear people call Greek myths folklore and yet call the bible a true story when once again its a myth.

Jesus walked on water, Hercules had the strenght of a god...what you choose to believe is yours...i agree, but dont go telling me whats the truth just because it sound better to you.

And let me correct you and say that Hercules was risen in spirit and became a part of the pantheon...a god..juts like "lord" jesus christ became when he rose? One was Greek, the other a Jew. They both carrie the same symbol.

Theres a pendand which was found and dates back more than 100 B.C Its a crucified Orpheus, why dont you research it.