Hebraism vs. Hellenism and Platos Cave.

[Lakonian]

Hey guys,

i have a belief that our system of living is made up of two programs if your like. That of the Greek and that of the Jewish. I donthavethe time now to explain the detail of this claim, but you only need to look at it from a life style. Morality, how do we carry out our daily quest...one with the belief of God wipes your backside when you do good deeds, the other, seeks the truth...God himslef.To accept this you have already achieved freedom to turn your head towards the opening of the cave....wanna break from the chains?

Watch this short clip of this youngman who gives a very clear message of how our lifes, are influenced through Jews and Greeks...the choice of living is yours. You might ask wahst the point to this...il explain later.

For now watch and first see if your mind understands teh hidden messages, especialy in the neration of Platos cave clip.

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And heres a naration of Platos cave. Take the time to watch it, its a chance for you test your understanding of truth......

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[Lakonian]

Ofcourse what debate would this be without the Jewish insight.

Hers a clip of a very wierd bloke, and i lost count of how many contradictions he makes in regards to the wonderful Hanukkah festival, and how Greeks are dark lords and they are the light of the world. Tll this day , this is there view.


Dont believe me? Search it else where. There rebels didnt stop there, there massacre at Cyprus is never brought into light as genocide. Yet they have it in there history books and there encyclopdia. Over 200,000 Greeks sluaghtered.


Yet We are constanly reminded of there misery with a short malaka who had a short moustaki.

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[Truth Bearer]

Lakonian what slaughter in Cyprus?Can u evaluate yr claims mate??I gotta see this I've heard of this before and again the claimant couldn't provide the facts.The onous is up to you so please before you make such claims show us.....

[Ehetlaios]

It's by Dio Cassius

Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks.
They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in two, from the head downwards.
Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, also, they performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio.
There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by force of the wind, he is put to death.
Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by Trajan.

Dio's Rome, Volume 5, Books 61-76 (A.D. 54-211) by Cassius Dio - Project Gutenberg

[Lakonian]

I never speak lies Truth Bearer.....seems my friend has beaten me to the punch.

But here is more....

In 115, the Roman army led by Trajan was fighting against one of its major enemies, the Parthian Empire. The diasporic Jews started a revolt in Cyrenaica that also involved Aegyptus and Cyprus. In Cyrene (Cyrenaica), the rebels (led by a Lukuas or Andreas, who called himself "king" according to Eusebius of Caesarea), destroyed many temples, including those to Hecate, Jupiter, Apollo, Artemis, and Isis, as well as the civil structures symbols of Rome, the Caesareum, the basilica, and the thermae. The Greek and Roman population was exterminated.

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, "...about 200,000 Romans and Greeks had been killed (Dio Cassius, lxviii. 32). By this outbreak Libya was depopulated to such an extent that a few years later new colonies had to be established there (Eusebius, "Chronicle" from the Armenian, fourteenth year of Hadrian). Bishop Synesius, a native of Cyrene in the beginning of the fifth century, speaks of the devastations wrought by the Jews ("Do Regno," p. 2).

Hope this satisfies you and you understand that 200,000 back then was extermination to the point of extinction.

[Truth Bearer]

I find this very hard to believe since by the time of Trajan the Jews were expelled from Judea so I just can't see how a group or an army of Jews could massacre 200,000 people I mean are we serious here and your telling me this event has never been recorded except by some Dio Cassius??

[Truth Bearer]

With what army could these people do this??Can you coprehend 200,000 murdered by a rebel group??Lakonioan and Ehetlaios do you really believe this??Or have you been reading too many Jewish conspiracy sites????
And also what was this so called rebellion called???

[Truth Bearer]

You have ONE only ONE historian who claims this don't you think this is a bit odd???Can you conspirators give me another reference??

[Ehetlaios]

Jewish revolt of 115 ACE. That's how I know it.

And personally I can comprehend many things.

If the numbers are a bit elevated, that I do not know however.

[Truth Bearer]

Cyrene, Libya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cyrene, the ancient Greek city (in present-day Libya) was the oldest and most important of the five Greek cities in the region and gave eastern Libya the classical name 'Cyrenaica' that it has retained to modern times. It lies in a lush valley in the Jebel Akhdar uplands. It was named after a spring, Kyre, which the Greeks consecrated to Apollo.

Cyrene was founded as a colony of the Greeks of Thera (modern Santorini), traditionally led by Battus I from Thera, in 630 BC ten miles from its port, Apollonia (Marsa Sousa). Details concerning the founding of the city are contained in Book IV of the Histories of Herodotus. It promptly became the chief town of the ancient Libyan region between Egypt and Carthage (Cyrenaica), kept up commercial relations with all the Greek cities, and reached the height of its prosperity under its own kings in the 5th century BC. Soon after 460 BC it became a republic; after the death of Alexander the Great (323 BC) it passed to the Ptolemies and fell into decay.

Cyrenaica became part of the empire controlled by the Ptolemaic dynasty from Alexandria in Egypt and later passed to the Roman empire. Cyrene was the birthplace of Eratosthenes and there are a number of philosophers associated with the city including Callimachus, Carneades, Aristippus and Arete, and Synesius, bishop of Ptolemais in the 4th century CE.

The inhabitants of Cyrene at the time of Sulla (c. 85 BC) were divided into four classes: citizens, farmers, resident aliens, and Jews, who formed a restless minority. The ruler of the town, Apion bequeathed it to the Romans, but it kept its self-government. In 74 BC Cyrene was created a Roman province; but, whereas under the Ptolemies the Jewish inhabitants had enjoyed equal rights, they now found themselves increasingly oppressed by the now autonomous and much larger Greek population. Tensions came to a head in the insurrection of the Jews of Cyrene under Vespasian (73) and especially Trajan (117). This revolt was quelled by Marcius Turbo, but not before huge numbers of people had been killed (Cassius Dio, lxviii. 32). According to Eusebius the outbreak of violence left Libya depopulated to such an extent that a few years later new colonies had to be established there just to maintain the viability of continued settlement.

Cyrene's chief local export through much of its early history -- the medicinal herb silphium -- was pictured on most Cyrenian coins, until it was harvested to extinction. Though commercial competition from Carthage and Alexandria reduced its trade, Cyrene, with its port of Apollonia (Marsa Susa), remained an important urban center until the earthquake of 365. Ammianus Marcellinus described it in the 4th century as a deserted city, and Synesius, a native of Cyrene, described it in the following century as a vast ruin at the mercy of the nomads.

The names of six Christian bishops are known: according to Byzantine legend the first was St. Lucius (Acts 13:1); St. Theodorus suffered martyrdom under Diocletian; about 370 Philo dared to consecrate by himself a bishop for Hydra, and was succeeded by his own nephew, Philo; Rufus sided with Dioscorus at the so-called Robber Synod (Latrocinium) of Ephesus in 449; Leontius lived about 600.

Cyrene is now an archeological site near the village of Shahat. One of its more significant features is the Temple of Apollo which was originally constructed as early as 7th century BC. Other ancient structures include a Temple to Demeter and a partially unexcavated Temple to Zeus (the latter was intentionally damaged under orders of Moammar Al Qadhafi in the summer of 1978). There is a large necropolis approximately 10 km between Cyrene and its ancient port of Apollonia.