A question about Jesus and the Gospels

[Euklid]

Great example Olvie.

Originally Posted by Lakonian

I agree towards the end of your post, freedom can cause chaos, but you need to understand logic is in place here, we must all controll ouselves, if you compare this beween those who dont you will see the majority is that logic is the winner.

Ofc Logic, is the winner, and you know what logic tells us?

We are about 20 million Greeks all over the world, at least the 15 million are Christians, the other 5 million is accusing the 15 mil for being Hebrews, traitors, and so on...creating a tension among the greek community unseen before, and for what? For who will hold the ierateia?

Philosophically and theologically the neo-pagan view and the christian view, are much more similar than different. But this is completely beyond the point. The point here is that we should all work together, and there is no doubt whatsoever that our churches in America, Australia, Jerusalem, Konstantinoupolis work for the Greek interests. Now either let them do their job at least in peace with a silent consent or join them, but dont fight them, cause you are only fighting against yourselves.

[olvios]

Freedom is one thing too much freedom is Asydosia "impunity briming with hubris". Its not about religion its about the Genos.

[olvios]

Το Γένος είναι ανώτερο από Θρησκείες είτε είναι χριστιανισμός είτε είναι εθνική θρησκεία. Προδότες και ανθέλληνες είναι αυτοί που προάγουν την διχόνοια προφασιζόμενοι διάφορα θέματα που τελικά ως αποτέλεσμα έχουν να βάλλουν κατά του γένους

The genos is above religions whether its christianity or ethnic religion.Traitors and anthellenes are this that promote discord with such pretexts which final result is to strike against the genos.

[olvios]

Christian religion is a positive religion in the context of the idealized ethical philosophy a person can find in it. Its messianism along with all types of messianism is the element that makes it and all religions tools of politicians or clerics for dominion.Being the most powerfull form of domination communism and fasism follow the structures of religion thus are forms of religion hidden in a political masquerade .Its messianism and utopic path that leads only to one thing.Tyrranical domination of one person to another or others.

The genos must stand above such trivialites. Balance in all things with freedom of choosing the wrong path but having the will to take the path of hercules that ,of arete.Hercules chose and had the prerequisites to do so .So should we even if we never attain a drop of virtue.It is the path we follow that makes us positive beings not mere goals or dreams of a paradise coupled with a dream of hell whether its metaphysical or one of no class societies and
similar "narcotics".

[Lakonian]

? I hold no faith in paganism or christianity.....i simply expose that what christianity has given us we already had in ancient Greece...what have i done wrong, i have not even once throughout this whole topic said anything against a christian or a pagan? So boys, put your pitch and forks away and go play somewhere else.

I think it great that Greek Christians hold such a faith, good for them, we must al hold on to something, but like we both agree Euklid logic must be in place, dont leave everything in Gods hand now...

It seems to me you think im attacking christians? I pointed out negative actions they have taken and still do, im not attacking the faith relax file, this aint the spanish inquasition we are talking with open minds.

Please dont turn this post into some pagan vs christianity bullshit....you wanna add something, add philosophy not Orthodox e thanatos attitude slander, liek 5 million other Greeks label Orthodox Greeks as jews...rubbish, believe what you want to without offending anyoe euklid, otherwise dont post in my topic. I hold no side other than being Greek, religion has nothing to do with it.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by olvios

Christian religion is a positive religion in the context of the idealized ethical philosophy a person can find in it. Its messianism along with all types of messianism is the element that makes it and all religions tools of politicians or clerics for dominion.Being the most powerfull form of domination communism and fasism follow the structures of religion thus are forms of religion hidden in a political masquerade .Its messianism and utopic path that leads only to one thing.Tyrranical domination of one person to another or others.

The genos must stand above such trivialites. Balance in all things with freedom of choosing the wrong path but having the will to take the path of hercules that ,of arete.Hercules chose and had the prerequisites to do so .So should we even if we never attain a drop of virtue.It is the path we follow that makes us positive beings not mere goals or dreams of a paradise coupled with a dream of hell whether its metaphysical or one of no class societies and
similar "narcotics".

Well said Olvios, if these are realy your thoughts then you hold more virtues than you know. Well said

[Euklid]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

religion has nothing to do with it.

More convince yourself, that.........kai o logos mou tha "perisseyei".

[olvios]

They are my thoughts and one more thing

Religion in this context is a beautyfull thing nomatter what the religion.
The pagan-christian contest is "created" by former communists turned "pagan" that drag more people in their behavioural path. They use our pagan religion to strike against christianity not because they want to correct it but because they want power from the competition."A grandma running with Carl lewis gets publicity even if she cant walk".The other reason is they are communists even now and dont believe in any GOD in any form or definition.We know the core of some "pagan" groups is exactly this thing.Most people of course just love ancient greek culture.

The core is composed of godless materialists with no trace of scrupulous consciensness on what they do.They lie and deceive to create a troop of servants for their own petty gain and war against the "bad greeks" and they are the "good ones".Communists like stalin and all the other cacodemons albeit of a smaller scale.But still with the same "principles". Lie cheat deceive divide pretend.

[Euklid]

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O noon....noeito.

[Euklid]

LOL, me too Olvie...alla opos to eipes to genos, einai pano apola.

H synyparksis einai efikth kai panta itan efikth.

H Xaroula einai allo ena zontano paradeigma oxi mono synyparksis alla kai syngklisis.