A question about Jesus and the Gospels

[terastios]

Ok greeklish then...
enas epistimonaw mporei na vrei se poia fyli anikeis? NAI!
AKOMA KAI SE POIO ETHNOS!
Den leo oti afto simainei kati alla apla to leo!
Ksereis oti stous Alvanous (px) leipei ena gonidio?
Mallon oxi!
Kai se rotao kati...an sou xarizane 2 skylia...ena lykoskylo kai ena kopro poio tha dialeges?
Thelo na po oti ki ego ton kopro mallon tha dialega giati lypamai ta onta pou exoyn "handicap"!
Etsi lypamai kai tous anthropous pou einai etsi...alla EINAI!
Min arxizeis na me apokaleis ratsisti...giati eimai!
Ki opoios apo sas leei pos den einai...leei psemmata!
Opos ego den goystaro tous alvanous (px) esu den goustareis tous...kynigous i tous paoktzides (px)...e to idio eimaste!

Allo skopo exei i aspri i i kitrini fyli s'ayto to kosmo kai alli i mayri!
Allo oi Ellines kai allo oi Alvanoi!
Allo ta lykoskyla kai allo oi koproi!

[Euklid]

Okies...

[terastios]

Originally Posted by Euklid

Okies...

Dokies..

[Lakonian]

Euklid,

the reason why this topic has taken up so much space is because it begs to be deciphered. If you feel you have found something that gives YOU the comfort of knowingthe ONe and All and the On and whatever, im proud for you.

I have more discuss which link to this subject. String Theories, the Mtheory, atoms, reality, perception....

and you are right to say Chaos wont be deciphered, as i i always say and complain about the little Church sheep, if you know GOd he is not infinite.

But that doesnt mean we cant know its purpose, our purpose, our universe.

If you think you have a method of knowing all this then i beg you, teach us too. But dont tell me Ohn and bretahing is gonna make me one with teh universe, if your SPARTAN, you would be abit more open minded and less to jump on to wagons.

As one spartan said to an Athenian statement, We Athenians take pride in teaching others on our methods, to which the Spartan replied,and we are proud that we havent learnt anything of you.

Question the question...never say i accept untill the truth is revealed.

[Euklid]

Lakonian, Okies, i havent got much more to add in this topic.

Breathing is a technique that helps the mind relax, nothing more nothing less.

Questioning is the method to attain logical statements.

I would like to start a new topic, about the electrical Ohm the law of Ohm(the man) about the electrical antistasis. That little thing you find in your speakers. How does that apply in more than electronics?

The method that has helped me is: breathing, walking, swimming, and diving(without oxygen). Diving and breathing is by far the most wow techniques to reach to levels of harmony and peace. To start seeing things, and not seeing supernatural mumbo jumbo, but seeing the phenomena. To getting out of the cave. Anyways, because these days am very stressed with some things here, personal business, i am not really that much in the mood. If you want to continue your questions, ill come back to say my opinion, when am in a better state of mind.(Today was the auction for Simos beach, i got what i wanted(50 sq meters-for 2 years for specific drastiriotites, not for Bar), and the 3rd of July this Tuesday there will be the auction for the Bar in Simos beach in Molaoys by Ked-Ktimatiki etairia Dimosiou(starting price 3500 Euros for 1500 sq meters for 3 years, specifically for Bar.) I will participate but i dont have a lot of money and i think am gonna lose. And the athenians will take that too, again.

[Lakonian]

Cousin,

hang in there, that is bussiness, it makes you and breaks you. As fo rthe new topic, mate im preety busy myself. We are renovating my new house, and my old man is now currently in Greece selling my house in Salamina, and the person who has bought it is giving us grief with teh damn pay out(bloody greeks and money).

Anyways, the good thing is im building a new house in Ithica, my dads place of origin. It water front view, i think i might keep it as a holiday house. Perhaps i could meet you there next summer?

Ok for the new topic how bout you name it Platos cave, that way we can unfold it from start?Up to you let me know.

Take it easy man.

[Lakonian]

Hey guys,

have any of you heard of the Sibylline Books?

Well apperntly they where like phrophecies made by the Oracles and it is said they where the main target of teh book burning by the christian hurds.

It is also believed that they are mentioned in the bible, and other Jewish references but i havent seen it.

To the Romans these books where actualy very valuable, it predicted even major weather changes but i don't if this is true. It said also that was written completely in Greek hexameters (homeric style?) and it could only be read by Greeks even while it was in Roman hands.

These books where burnt by the Chritian emporer Flavius Stilicho.

I wonder if these book sforetold the coming of this distruction.....does anyone have any background on this dark part of our history?

[Euklid]

It is said that the Sibylline Oracles were the wives of the first three children of Noah: Iapetus(the Beatiful Eldest), Shem and Ham(The Cursed), their wives left them and went to Ellas to establish their own maternal religion that is the Ellinic. These books were lost during the Dark Ages and re-appeared in literature during the Alexandrian Times.

Note worthy to mention:

Confusion of tongues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

El (god) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Phoenician inscription writes....translated by Cross (1973, p. 17):

The Eternal One (‘Olam) has made a covenant oath with us,
Asherah has made (a pact) with us.
And all the sons of El,
And the great council of all the Holy Ones.
With oaths of Heaven and Ancient Earth.

Also:

It occurs 217 times in the Masoretic text: 73 times in the Psalms and 55 times in the Book of Job, and otherwise mostly in poetic passages or passages written in elevated prose. It occasionally appears with the definite article as hā’Ēl 'the God' (for example in 2 Samuel 22.31,33–48).

[Truth Bearer]

You guys have gone far too deep.........Gods or El is still only a theory,then a cult then it becomes an ideology and from that it eventually if it really picks up a religion.The issue here is that it's man made man created religion as an explanation of how we got here and how we explain the unexplained.....

[Alita]

Originally Posted by Spartan

Talking about the age of the moon and the age of the Universe are two unrelated issues! The moon and our solar system were not even in existence when the universe was believed to be created. Of course the moon is much younger after all it is believed that it was created from an impact of something with the earth, so it is even younger than the earth.

Spartan, there is a huge difference between saying the moon is 3.5 or 4 billion years old, and saying it is only 10 thousand years old. This was my point. The amount of cosmic dust found there does not even suggest the moon is in the hundreds of thousands of years old, but more like in the tens of thousands - maybe even only 10 thousand. You speak of evidence and facts; and that's why I ask, why does the scientific community not publish these facts? Are they not as relevant as all the other finds?

A theory such as evolution is accepted because it best explains the topic it was created for and it has some basis on FACTS.

No, it does not necessarily best explain the topic it was created for. And what precisely do you mean by 'topic'? Do you mean the whole existence of the universe and every living and non-living thing in it, including every aspect of those things, like organs, black holes, stars, dirt etc? That is a huge amount of information to apply one simple theory to. Especially when scientists have calculated, even evolutionists, that the probability of the universe spontaneously arising with the exact conditions needed for perfect development and life to evolve are in the realm of impossibility. That is, akin to a jumbo jet 747 being assembled in perfect working order from a tornado ripping through a junk yard! We're talking about such long odds, that they are not in the realm of science and logic anymore; it is just too improbable that everything happened so perfectly, without outside divine intervention. Chaos cannot possibly produce a perfectly working universe like this. Here is your proof, if you can accept it.

As for facts, if you want evidence that evolution couldn't have produced even one cell of a living thing, look at the make-up and function of the human eye. There are so many tiny working parts, so much interlocking and parts dependent on other parts, that even just one tiny change in the structure would have resulted in a dysfunctional eye. I somehow don't think human beings walked around blind for eons until their DNA finally clicked on the correct way to make an eye. For one thing, the structure of the eye suggests that certain functions it has are specifically to assist in survival, especially from wild animals. For example the rod cells on the periphery of vision which contribute blacks, whites and shades, and make things appear bigger and emphasise motion, so the human can know to run away when a wild animal or enemy is approaching. Now, if these things weren't working for a long period of time, while the human body was still working out how to put together the make-up of the eye in the DNA, human beings would have died out in their earliest days! Besides, there is no evidence in history or pre-history that suggests large numbers of human beings were blind.

The only time a theory is thrown out is when a BETTER theory comes along.

Well then I guess evolution isn't a better theory because creation is not only not being thrown out, it is being revived in a big way.

Evolution is accepted because through the use of natural sciences, new FACTS are brought forth continuously that strengthen it.

Evolution is accepted because the big players on the world's stage like it exactly where it is. They are the ones who sponsor the scientists to do their research and, through advertising, dictate what results are published in magazines and which research remains obscure to the scientific community. I have seen first-hand how dirty the business is. Now it's extended to students' textbooks; the tricks they pull would disgust you, as they have done me. (The main reason I didn't pursue a career in biochemistry but opted for ESL education). But sometimes, just sometimes, the hard-working scientists come across a finding like the Hobbit Human, that they cannot explain and then they do right by not jumping to conclusions but sticking, as you said, to their science and letting time reveal all.

Of course most people misunderstand what evolution actually is. Evolution is not neccesarily a process that must take millions or even billions of years to take affect, instead it may only require several generations. Evolution can be explained as ADAPTATION to ones enivronment.

Evolution, or macro-evolution, is a different phenomenon to the adaptation you speak of (also known as micro-evolution). Adaptation is a fact that we can see today with such studies as the birds of the Galapagos Islands and others. This is not evolution as I am discussing it here. Adaptation of an animal to a different type still does not change that animal into another animal. A bird with a longer tail than its ancestors is still a bird and will always be a bird. No amount of change in its environment will make it into a fish or a dog. DNA does not accumulate over time; it is lost. There is never genetic progression but always we see a pattern of genetic regression; things getting worse with time. Changes in DNA that produce dramatic results never lead to fitter or better-adapted offspring, but rather, to phenomena such as Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis and Phenylketonuria. Aspects that confer an advantage on a creature are usually already in the DNA and are selected for in the environment of its community, eg. Beta
Thalassaemia Minor trait, dark skin etc. They do not spontaneously arise in response to the environment.

This is where the evolutionists turn their scientific thinking caps off. It's one thing to say adaptation exists because we can see it, test it. It's another thing to say adaptation is the basis for evolution, because we assume that, given enough time, species A will change into species B. This is not science! It is imagination, Dr. Who material. And it's for this reason that I say evolution is a religion, not a theory. There is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Rather, evolutionists get away with propounding it because they manage a nice little dove-tailing of the micro/macro-evolution dynamics into one big theory: evolution. There is only one thing more deceitful than an outright lie and that's a half-lie.

Now what differentiated Science from a religion such as Christianity is the basis on hard evidence. Religion is about believing without questioning, while Science is based on questioning the beliefs. You don't need faith to be a scientist but you do need faith to be a Christian.

I disagree with you again. There is evidence for God in the universe; everywhere, in fact. The sky for one thing. Can you tell me how big the universe is? How many stars are in it? No. There is your evidence for God, Who people knew was 'great' and 'all-powerful' way before science discovered how really huge the universe is. Why have we not found the edge of the universe? Surely, a finite atom exploding during the big bang would have produced a finite universe? And yet, the universe appears almost infinite. All this out of a tiny atom? And what created this atom? (Do you ever hear evolutionists questioning on this point? Funny, I thought they questioned everything). And what made it decide one day to just explode? What - to one day give rise to beings who will have rationale and logic and not be able to make head or tail of these events within the framework of their 'evolved' logical minds? A mind based in reason must have been created by a reasonable process. You cannot begin with vast, utter meaninglessness and have as your destination a tiny speck of meaningfulness. No, I think it takes a whole lot more faith to believe in evolution!

Facts can be interpreted in different ways Spartan. If you check out this site: Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’ you will see what I mean. Creationists have found just as much evidence for creation, if not more, as evolutionists have found for evolution. It's not fair to call creation unscientific just because many people in the world today don't like believing in Jesus.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Me liga logia, gnorizoume kata vathos emeis i idioi ti eide kai ti gamise o pro-pro-pro-propapous mas, einai mesa ston egkefalo.

Do you suppose my grandpa was into Italian men with hot black Ferraris?