A question about Jesus and the Gospels

[Truth Bearer]

Laconian you are opening a can of worms here mate you will create a debate b/w Hellenists and Orthodoxists which we can debate forever......I'm in though as I missed most of the previous arguments and only reading the 1st post.
The question you must ask yrself is what happened to Jesus after his barmitzfah aged 13 to when he actually ariived in the scene 17 years later......
Now if you believe to propaganda the church spills out then don't bother answering as it will create a heated debate....

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

Laconian you are opening a can of worms here mate you will create a debate b/w Hellenists and Orthodoxists which we can debate forever......

We have already debated a lot on this, and I am sure we will debate a lot more in the future. It is a neverending subject.

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

The question you must ask yrself is what happened to Jesus after his barmitzfah aged 13 to when he actually ariived in the scene 17 years later......

Exactly what I asked in my first post on this topic.

[Lakonian]

Truth Bearer,

i insist you have a look at my arguments. No one yet has answered my questions. No one can.Not even i. Only philosposhical analysis can conclude us further down this path. Why dont you have look at what my cousine Euklid has written n the General chat section. You will see how far we can push this subject.

[Truth Bearer]

Sorry Ehetlaios as I said i only read Laconians 1st post i will start reading thru the debates but lads we will open a can of worms and some people on this forum might get upset especially the Orthodoxists who believe in the bible and the new testament because both those books have huge holes in them and I'm telling you all it ain't pretty.......

[Truth Bearer]

Originally Posted by Ehetlaios

LOLOLOLOLOL.



AHAHAHAHAHA.

Come on, you know the answer.

Anyway, it's a bit weird how every gospel/evangelist writes different accounts of his life too, and many things appear only by one person.

What troubles me, is what he did between 10/12 and 30 years old.

As a child he is seen around the age of 12 talking with the rabbis in some synagogue and then we meet him again 30 years old...

Many propose he travelled to the far east, came in contact with those cults in Tibet and stuff and then returned to preach everything with a jewish flavor...

But I don't know if any of this is true.

Spot on Ehetlaios sorry mate i just repeated yr question......
There is another theory that Manolis went to Siwa like Alexander did before him and became spiritual with the occult of Siwa stayed there for a few years got enlightened and then he made his way back to Palestine....
I mean really if he was the Messiah why is it we don't know anything about him during those dark 17 years of his life??
The other question here is where or how did John the baptist get the idea about plunging people in the river to cleanse their spirits???
That seems very Hindu like doesn't it?
Also the Hellenes used to plunge in the sacred waters(river Styx) during the "mystiria" another type of occult the elite adopted.....
Another question here is since Christ/Manolis was the alledged son of God why hasn't he left any writing or speak any other languages except for Aramaic???I mean can we really believe that the son of god was ILLITERATE??
What was his relationship with magdalene??Back then by the type a boy reaches 15 years old he's married with at least 1 kid on it's way.How is it and how strange that Manolis never married when all around him were???
We know now also that magdalene was definately not a whore that was added after the conference on Nicaia in 325 A.D so the Church can discredit her......Do you guys really want me to continue???

[Kuniska]

Ρε παιδιά δεν υπάρχει τίποτα μυστικιστικό που κάθεστε και τρώγεστε για τη ζωή του Ιησού... Είναι πολύ απλό και καθαρή λογική. Φανταστείτε έναν ανθρωπο Θεο που έχει μια αποστολή. Η αποστολή Του είναι να πεθάνει όταν έρθει η ώρα και να αναστηθεί, να νικήσει τον θάνατο μέσα απο την αγαπή. Η ώρα έρχεται όταν έχει ζήσει 30 χρόνια χωρίς να προκαλέσει μια απλή ενάρετη ζωή αγάπης. Οταν πια καταλαβαίνει ότι η ώρα ήρθε καλεί τους μαθητές Του να αφήσει τη διδασκαλία Του πίσω. Και βέβαια δεν παντρεύεται και δεν σκέφτεται με το κάτω κεφάλι γιατί πολύ απλά δεν ήταν αυτή η αποστολή Του! Truth Bearer, ποια πηγή έχεις που να λέει οτι η Μαρία η Μαγδαληνή δεν ήταν πόρνη και ότι προστέθηκε στη Συνοδο της Νικαίας; Τι ξέρεις για την ιστορία της Αγίας Φωτεινής και τον Οσιο Μαρκο τον Ευγενικό της Εφέσου και το τι έκανε στη συνθήκη Φερράρας Φλωρεντίας; Εγώ προσωπικά θα ήθελα πολύ να συνεχίσεις...

[Ehetlaios]

Kuniska

Agnowntas tin sxetika epithetiki glwssa tou syntakti, diavase se parakalw to parakatw arthro kai pes mou an pisteyeis se OLA tha thaymata.

Eidikotera apo ti stigmi pou DEN ta anaferoun oloi oi eyaggelistes.

http://www.davlos.gr/pdf/20844.pdf

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

Also the Hellenes used to plunge in the sacred waters(river Styx) during the "mystiria" another type of occult the elite adopted.....

Didn't know that... Wasn't Styx the river by the waters of which the Gods swore?

Or was that Acheron?

Anyway, who do you call "Manolis"?

[Kuniska]

Εχετλαίε,
Δεν μπορώ να ανοίξω το άρθρο του Δαυλού για κάποιο λόγο... Οχι όμως δεν πιστεύω σε ό.τι θαύμα και όραμα βλέπει ο καθένας όπως δεν πιστεύω σε κάποια πράγματα που ακούω απο τους παπάδες. Χρησιμοποιώ τη λογική, την καρδιά και τη συνείδηση όταν πρόκειται για το Θεο. Δεν έχω πέσει ποτέ έξω μέχρι στιγμής. Ακόμα και όταν αποφάσισα να απέχω για ένα χρόνο, έβγαλα το σταυρό και μελέτησα άλλες θρησκείες δεν ένιωσα ποτέ ότι έκανα κάτι αντίθετο απο αυτό που πρέπει να κάνω για μένα. Γιατί πάνω απο όλα η σχέση μας με το θείο είναι προσωπική. Εσύ είσαι υπεύθυνος για την ψυχή σου κανένας άλλος. Τώρα πια πιστεύω ότι είμαστε οι μόνοι Χριστιανοί που κατα το δόγμα πρέπει να μελετάμε καθημερινά και να αναρωτιόμαστε για τα πάντα. Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι οι πνευματικοί δεν είναι πια πνευματικοί παρά πληρωμένοι υπάλληλοι και έτσι έχει χαθεί το νόημα πολλών πνευματικών αγαθών. Το τι νοθεία έχει πέσει στο δόγμα μόνο και μόνο για να μαζευτεί κόσμος στις εκκλησίες είναι μια ανοιχτή πληγή για μένα...
Το Μανολης που χρησιμοποιούν είναι για το Εμμανουήλ. Νομίζουν ότι κάνουν πνεύμα... Εγώ βέβαια το θεωρώ προσωπική προσβολή του δόγματός μου αλλά έτσι που έχει γίνει η Δημοκρατία πολύ αμφιβάλλω αν θα ξιπαστεί κανένας τους... Υπάρχουν πολλές θεωρίες για τον Χριστό. Αν κάτσεις και το δεις απο την απέξω με καθαρή λογική θα φτάσεις στο δικό μου συμπέρασμα αργά ή γρήγορα...

[Kuniska]

Agaphte Ehetlaie... to diabasa to ponhma!
Katarxhn prospathhsa na bgalw nohma kai na kanw ena skeleto giati gia mena den leei kai tipota ousiwdes. Loipon exoume kai leme
Par 1 eisagwgh a) "Sumfwna me thn Kainh diathhkh ta thaumata pou perigrafontai einai aparataithta gia na pistepsoume oti o Ihsous einai Theos. :
Meta leei oti einai periergo pws mono o Iwannhs ta anaferei.
Meta anaferei to thauma epi tou orous twn elewn kai prosthetei mia paragrafw pou profanws hthele na dwsei eirwniko tono alla to thaumastiko to efage!
Apo oles autes tis protaseis de thetei kanenan problhmatismo kat epektash kanena epixeirhma wste na mporesei o anagnwsths na bgalei nohma...
par2 kala ekei erixa polu gelio!
Eisagwgikh protash o Ihsous den gnwrizei anatomia. lol
Katebazei ena swro arrwsties pou den hxere o Ihsous kai meta leei... Se kamia apo tis therapeies tou den perigrafetai therapeutikh agwgh para ena aoristo egine kala. H perigrafh ths astheneias einai xondroeidhs opws tha thn periegrafe o opoiosdhpote asxetos pros thn Iatrikh...
Ok... dhladh o tupas pou einai kai Krhtikos tromara na tou rthei exei problhma giati o Ihsous den xrhsimopoiouse iatrikous episthmonikous orous kai den sumperiferthhke ws giatros stous astheneis! Pes mou esu twra ws koinos thnhtos an htan na grapseis ena biblio pou na periegrafe pragmata pou ginontan stigmiaia mprosta sta matia sou ti iatrikh agwgh tha periegrafes wste 2 500 xronia argotera na brethei enas dhthen dianooumenos kai na sou pei xontromlkes. Tha proxwrhsw omws giati meta leei alles xontrades.
Se mia mikrh paragrafo leei oti mia gunaika ustera apo 1500 xronia xristianikhs kuriarxias (!!! Eleos dhladh!lol) oi Ellhnes eixan katanthsei na pethenoun giati perimenan na parelthei to kako! (kathgorei oloklhrh thrhskeutiko dogma me kuria puxida thn agaph gia ton skotadismo sto mualo amorfwtwn anthtrwpwn! )
Meta anaferei oti ston Ellhniko kosmo eixan proxwrhsei sthn Iatrikh kata thn periodo pou ezhse o Ihsous ( auto to upotithemenh kati thelei na pei pali alla tha to afhsw giati o kurios einai asta na pane)
Loipon ... to arthro einai patata. Exei ena barugroupo titlo ena misallodoxo kai eirwniko tono kai to sumperasma sto opoio katalhgei (kala ekei kai an gelasa sto mualo mou mou hrthe giagiaka mauroforousa pou milaei gia to Satana! ) einai teleiws hlithio epikinduno kai... polu upotimhtiko gia to Ellhniko pneuma!
Epeidh omws mou arese polu h prospatheia tou tha grapsw to apogeuma kati to opoio na bazei sth swsth seira auta pou hthele na pei o poihths kai tha ta suzhthsoume oti wra thes! H glwssa tou suntakth den htan epithetikh gia mena. Htan geloia kai skotadistikh opws kati giagiades pou blepw pou kanoun to stauro tous kai milane gia ton Satana kai ton fobountai! Autos htan giagia me pantelonia. Xaire Exetlaie! Tha ta poume to apogeuma kai tha omilhseis me thn Kuniska ws sunhgoro tou Diabolou. lol