Battle of Kilkis-Lahana and the Liberation of Makedonia

[Christov]

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

Moreover when their neighbour country, is more developed, both in economic and in cultural level (actually in every aspect), it is expected that the less favoured countries will express their zealousness in every possible way.....

What do you know about culture, Ptolemaios?

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

The most common tactic is the false nationalism based on fake historic documents and facts

Do you consider the photo, that Bugarash posted as fals?

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

Why there is no claim of FYROM against Bulgaria?
Why Bulgaria has no claims against Turkey? etc etc.

Are you sure?

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

So, as long as Greece makes the difference in every aspect, the false "nationalism" and other false expressions of our "beloved" neighbours should be expected....

You see, this exactly is the very core of the problem: there aren't "beloved" neighbours according to you.

But let's stay to the topic.

[Ptolemaios]

Originally Posted by christov

What do you know about culture, Ptolemaios? Do you consider the photo, that Bugarash posted as fals?Are you sure?You see, this exactly is the very core of the problem: there aren't "beloved" neighbours according to you.

But let's stay to the topic.

What do we know about culture?
Make a history review to world history, and you will find out. If you still dont,

just see some recent achievements in all levels:
Nobels, Nobel nominations, Music (very popular in Bulgaria I think....), Theatre, Olympic Games (this is more familiar to you), lack of revenge (remember comitates?), Life quality (some neighbours, are governed by Mafia, probably you know which ones).

RESPECT OF LIFE (UN data documents: they reveal the cultural and humanitarian level of Bulgarians during the bulgaro-Nazi occupation: 25.000 executions of innocent greeks. Ask about Doxato in Drama and some other villages which admired your "beloving" feelings).

Concerning the "beloved", I just point out your "beloving" attitude and behaviour to greeks: Always claiming a place you never actually owned (you arrived at the area after the 6th century AD), and causing always problems in every aspect, up to know. Could you remind us which was the common tactic of comitages/comitates: Cleansing....

Thank you in anticipation

[Ptolemaios]

To christov

Next time you have a war (I wish you never have a war again), just give a notice that your army is capable to fight with honor and pride.

You see the recent history has shown that is difficult for the Bulgarian army to fight straight:
difficult to accept the superiority of the Victor,
difficult to avoid collaborations (Turks, Nazis etc etc)
difficult to avoid improper tactics [executions (1941-44, mass kidnaping of children (`904-12)]

[Ptolemaios]

To Christov

And finally:

Dear friend,
You should first improve the whole internal situation and fix the problems in your country (politics, corruption, economy, safety, life quality etc etc)....
Do that, and then be sure that is possible to improve the Greek-Bulgarian matters and relationships

[Christov]

Oh, I see one answer isn't enough for you...

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

What do we know about culture?
Make a history review to world history, and you will find out. If you still dont, just see some recent achievements in all levels:
Nobels, Nobel nominations, Music (very popular in Bulgaria I think....), Theatre, Olympic Games (this is more familiar to you), lack of revenge(remember comitates?), Life quality (some neighbours, are governed by Mafia, probably you know which ones).

Ptolemaios, all my questions were to you personally. If you don't like any of them just drop it; but if you want to answer - give some straight answers as a man: one-to-one. What you gave I call "mishmash" and can not be qualified as "honor and pride". So try again. About the culture - I am really curious what you'll say about it.

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

RESPECT OF LIFE (UN data documents: they reveal the cultural and humanitarian level of Bulgarians during the bulgaro-Nazi occupation: 25.000 executions of innocent greeks. Ask about Doxato in Drama and some other villages which admired your "beloving" feelings).

Are you sure it can be applied only to the Bulgarian army? My answer is NO, but let me see yours!

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

Concerning the "beloved", I just point out your "beloving" attitude and behaviour to greeks: Always claiming a place you never actually owned (you arrived at the area after the 6th century AD), and causing always problems in every aspect, up to know. Could you remind us which was the common tactic of comitages/comitates: Cleansing....

Oh, what was the Greek tactics? Drinking coffee or playing tabla? Don't be ridiculous Ptolemaios! A war is a nasty business and I hate it! About the 6th cantury and owning a place - I don't claim anything. But how long do you think is reasonable to be "presented" in one place in order to own it? Can't you calculate that since the time of the Slavonic settlement there are more than 14 centuries? I am curious to see how you tell the owners in South and North America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. that they actually don't own their property there...

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

Dear friend,
You should first improve the whole internal situation and fix the problems in your country (politics, corruption, economy, safety, life quality etc etc)....
Do that, and then be sure that is possible to improve the Greek-Bulgarian matters and relationships

Dear friend, really there are some problems in Bulgaria and if you know a place, where everything is "honey and roses", please, tell me!

[Ptolemaios]

Dear Christov,
OK lets play the 10 questions name:

Even in the jail there are problems about safety and security but it is not the ideal place to live: "it is not honey and roses" too....
This proves some "culture" of yours : you prefer to live in a chaos, tolerating a chaotic situation, and giving an excuse for it! GREAT!!!!

You know in greek language there is the word "dialogos" dialogue in common english,
and as far as I know the dialogue does not oblige you to have only one answer (you see the world goes front and beyond, and does not like police tactics, or communist tactics (like your previous past), of "yes" and "no" answers).

Concerning the mismatch you stated, I am surprised because, it is the first time to read something like that. Do you know any army which fights at the field, to have restrictions about its size.
By your thinking the war is a football game where everyone should have the same number of players....

So, its a good time for you to complain to USA, for its army superiority, when they decide to fight smaller armies in size (like Serbia, Iraq, Vietnam...).

Also you can make complains to the ex-Otoman Empire for fighting with more soldiers against their enemy armies (Greece included).
But you see, the greek army did not care about sizes and could win (300 Spartans killed 50.000 Persians, 500 Soldiers of Kolokotronis killed 30.000 Ottoman soldiers in a single fight, what a result???!!!)

As Aeschylus said: We the Greeks, we never counted the size of the enemy in the battlefield.

And my dear friend when an enemy army invades and violates everything (in every sense) the defending army responds in order to defeat the enemy's army, and only (not like some other armies that prefer to kill innocents, and make guerilla fights against unarmed citizens) ... That's the name of the game in the war.

Concerning your Nazi-Army what you try to prove me?
That the UN data is not valid for you?
You try to show me what the other armies did, and you try to avoid accepting the real historical facts?
Of course there were other armies collaborating with the Germans, but one thing is for sure: that one army of those collaborators was YOURS commiting WAR CRIMES!

Concerning your setllements in the Balkans, one thing is for sure. You always tried to claim territories, causing battles, fights and wars all the time.
I really dont care about New Zealnd or America's areas.
You can easily go there and make your claims over American lands if you feel so much injusticed.

This is the problem about Bulgaria: You could never stay in peace, so you could be productive in every sense (What was the influence of Bulgaria in World History and the World's civilisation???). Wars, wars, propaganda, and slaughters of innocent people.
Oh, OK and some cultural splits during communism regime as a part of the communist's propaganda (with athletics, traditional dances and some Opera performers).....

Concerning my culture: My origin is my culture. Thank God I have a greek heritage and this is my cultural passport...

I dont know if culture, is trivial game for you, or a land demanding game (should I pass any test?)...

I prefer to drink coffee or to play tavli, because I dont prefer to kill innnocent people, or having claims on fantasy matters.
It is a more civilized act than having a gun, or making stupid teritorial claims with irredentism strungle, and having false views of the past.
I wish you could drink a coffee too, but it seems very expensive and very unsafe at your country...

(By the way all the Bulgarian coast line from Burgas by deep south was greek (Philipoupolis too-Plovdiv). The greeks left enough cultural infrastructure and cultural heritage to you, making it able and appropriate for touristic development. But you see, even though we have no claims over those lands....)

[Ptolemaios]

Originally Posted by christov

About the 6th cantury and owning a place - I don't claim anything. But how long do you think is reasonable to be "presented" in one place in order to own it? Can't you calculate that since the time of the Slavonic settlement there are more than 14 centuries? I am curious to see how you tell the owners in South and North America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. that they actually don't own their property there...Dear friend, really there are some problems in Bulgaria and if you know a place, where everything is "honey and roses", please, tell me!

As I see my friend, the word "respect" is missing from your vocabulary.
For you, being a state is a clean up business, with some genocides included.

I notice a clear lack of culture and civilization.
It seems that the Mafia rule, is above all, for you....
That exlains why you did so many crimes in the area and what is your view about comitates, nazi-collaborators etc etc.


With this kind of mentality I wont be surprised if someone arrives in Bulgaria and buy it, and rename it to United States of Banania, after 14 centuries...

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ptolemaios

accept the superiority of the Victor

THats good advice!

[Tsontos]

What do 300 Spartans have to do with this topic (Battle of Kilkis-Lahana)? Sorry I'm lost

[Christov]

Oh, I am affraid, my friend, you must be in some difficult stage of your life, for there is no other explanation of your written diarrhoea. Calm down and relax, or look for medical help. Meantime open the Bible and read Matthew 7:3: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Everything else is pointles now.