Fyrom Won't Budge on Name

[Greek-Cowboy]

FYROM all believe that they are a direct link and that Greek Macedonia has been enslaved by the "Greeks" They want to liberate the Greek Macedonians from Slavery.

You have many people, fevgatous" Begitsi" from Makedonia- mainly Florina/ Kastoria who believe the Propaganda as well- share the same common goals as FYROmans in Canada.

They may fule propaganda into greece through a certain political, and un popular political group, who's name is not mentioned- but share many colours in thier political flag....

My 2 cents.........

Originally Posted by Reaper

I spoke to a Fyromian yesterday. He told me he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians. He said his language was a direct descendant of Alexander's language.

Who taught him this, or did he just invent it? I think unless you have been educated in FYROM or seen what they are actually taught, it looks stupid when you try and defend their position and indeed pretend they are not brainwashed.

[Greek-Cowboy]

No Compromise on the Name Macedonia by Risto Stefov



This fellow is from Greek Macedonia- ............

[Victor]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

Paranoia and groundless.

NOt according to Greece,not according to us.This issue is important to us and it always will be,so if you think the whole debate is pointless,why are you even here?
You continue to mock the existence and validity of this debate instead of actually constructivly takiing part in it(as even some fyromanians do).You stand for nothing except to mock this forum.COunt yourself extremely lucky that the guys running things here have more patience than me.

[Demetrius Doukas]

No guys it is the opposite.....the Macedonians are enslaved from the Scopians by degrading their history and dignity, by their atrocities during Ottoman times and the Balkan wars and their continuoing racism and hatred towards the Macedonians. By creating distortive and degrading image for Macedonia and Alexander The Great and by many many other things. They are guilty for the stupefication of their own children by educating them in that way and making of them cartoons around the world, If I were scopian I would fly from there and renounce my parents and grandparents for such attitude towards me by instead of fixing their faults they give them to their children to wore the sins and labels of their parent's brainwashing without any guilt.

[Demetrius Doukas]

I think the Greek government use a very mild tone in conversing with these guys. They were the occupators of Macedonia and Macedonians and have such an offendive behaviour, Greece must use the same words for them - ocupators, thieves, hitleric like propagandists and distorters.
Of course they were expelled in 1913 no place in Macedonia for these racists they had a chance then to be a Macedonians to be Greek and Hellenise themselves (some of them did it but very little indeed ) the others commited atrocities and accordingly were expelled. Lets use the true names for them.

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I spoke to a Fyromian yesterday. He told me he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians. He said his language was a direct descendant of Alexander's language.

Who taught him this, or did he just invent it? I think unless you have been educated in FYROM or seen what they are actually taught, it looks stupid when you try and defend their position and indeed pretend they are not brainwashed.

You misunderstood me. Yes, they have been taught some of this trash, BUT WE AS GREEKS KNOW THE TRUTH SO IT IS INSIGNIFICANT. WHAT THEY SAY AND BELIEVE ARE JUST PIPE DREAMS. I have never ever in my life, here and there and elsewhere, ever defended their position when it comes to the lies that come from the fanatical Macedonians. Never. You show me where I have defended their pipe dreams, lies and fantasies!! Where?

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by Istor

Bre Slav-Slav, do you speak SlavoSkopian?
If yes, would you tell us what SlavoSkopian pupils do learn about Greek 'atrocities' against SlavoSkopians?

Greek researchers here tell us that SlavoSkopians equalize Greeks (vs SlavoSkopians) to Turks (vs Kurds). Are they lying?

No, I do not speak SlavoSkopian. What is that, anyway?

[Draco]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

No, I do not speak SlavoSkopian. What is that, anyway?

The Bulgarian dialects of FYROM.

To everyone else: Please Do Not Feed The Trolls.

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by Xiotis

GreekSlav, your statement is groundless. One need not look further than the dozens upon dozens of websites authored and maintained by our friends from FYROM to get an accurate guage of their sentiments. Their diaspora organizations, their so called 'Human Rights' organizations and even their government and cultural institutions have joined in on the act promoting a false history and artificial culture. From these actions it is obvious that from their point of view the legitimization of the name 'Macedonia' as a descriptor for their country and their ethnos will facilitate their claim as being the official representatives and heirs of the whole region they claim as 'Macedonia' along with all of the social, cultural and historical constructs associated with the name. I do not want a new Greek generation dealing with this issue when the offspring of these brainwashed maniacs are running their country 50 years from now (if FYROM does still exist). Just because their government does not commit political suicide in front of the international community and overtly make irridentist and/or aggressive statements is no reason for us to turn a blind eye to all of the garbage being promoted and espoused by the mass of fools in FYROM and their diaspora.

My statement has strength. It is paranoia and groundless. Why in the hell do so many Greeks listen to the bullsh.it that comes out of the mouths of fanatical Macedonians in ROM and elsewhere? Why? It is insignificant babble. It does not change anything. The history they claim as theirs do not magically get rewritten, where all of a sudden we open a book on ancient Greece, and all references to "Greek" has been replaced with "Macedonian". Nothing changes. Renaming their airport to the name of the greatest ancient Macedonian there ever was does not make him Slav and does not take him away from us. Come on, Greeks. Listening to the crap from those fanatics and getting emotional over what they name certain things just makes it seem as if we are all second guessing everything about being Greek. We are Greeks, we know our history, and we know who we are. We are positively sure of it. So why do a few fanatics move so many Greeks into giving life to their crap?

That is my view on all this. Let them make false claims. The world will never believe their claims on Greek history anyhow. Reacting to it is extremely counterproductive for Greece.

[Morphesau]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

You misunderstood me. Yes, they have been taught some of this trash, BUT WE AS GREEKS KNOW THE TRUTH SO IT IS INSIGNIFICANT. WHAT THEY SAY AND BELIEVE ARE JUST PIPE DREAMS. I have never ever in my life, here and there and elsewhere, ever defended their position when it comes to the lies that come from the fanatical Macedonians. Never. You show me where I have defended their pipe dreams, lies and fantasies!! Where?

From network54 along with a thousand.

Greek Slav (Login GreekSlav)
Makedonija Forum Mods Group

Actually it is much better to call Darius' army - Greek army, since 50,000 Greeks were fighting on Darius' side against Alexander and his Macedonians, while only 7,000 Greeks served as ‘hostages’ the ambitions of the Macedonian king (Green). These hostages, Alexander got rid of only when he learned that the Macedonian occupation troops have a firm control of the whole of Greece, when Antipater finally subdued the Spartans next to the rest of the Greeks. Here are the overwhelming proofs that the Alexander’s army was not a Greek army, and that Alexander did not care about the Greeks, but his Macedonians:

1. "This was the Panhellenic crusade preached by Isocrates, and as such the king’s propaganda section continued - for the time being - to present it. No one, so far as we know, was tactless enough to ask the obvious question: if this was a Panhellenic crusade, where were the Greek troops? Peter Green Alexander of Macedon [p. 157]

2. "The truth of the matter seems to have been that Alexander distrusted his Greek allies so profoundly - and with good reason - that he preferred to risk the collapse of his campaign in a spate of rebellion rather than entrust its safety to a Greek fleet." [p.192]

3. "The burning of Persepolis had written finish to the Hellenic crusade as such, and he used this excuse to pay off all his league’s troops, Parmenio’s Thessalians included. The crisis in Greece was over: he no longer needed these potential trouble makers as hostages." [p. 322]

4. "Of the sixty-five or so men named as hetairoi, 9 are Greek, including 3 mainlanders. Of the nine, four owed their position to life-long connections with Macedon: Nearchus and the brothers Erygius and Laomedon ere in fact raised as Macedonians, and Demaratus of Corinth had been associated with the court since the time of Philip II."

Note: Very small number of Greeks were hetairoi, next to the overwhelming number of Macedonians]

Conclusion:

Alexander's conquest was for the greatness of Macedonia. The Greeks served Alexander only as mercenaries and were assigned low garrison duties after 330. The 7,000 Greek 'hostages' that Alexander took with himself, were commanded by Macedonian officers, and had insignificant role in the Macedonian victorious battles. Therefore, Alexander’s conquest was a Macedonian conquest, not Greek, his empire can only be Macedonian (as it was), not Greek, an empire that was won by the Macedonians, not Greek.


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