Fyrom Won't Budge on Name

[GreekSlav]

I believe the article posted is the overall consensus concerning the matter. People are very tired of:

1. The constant bickering over the name by Greece.
2. The constant propaganda from some in ROM that only makes it quite difficult to make any headway in their overall reputation.

The world, UN, EU and NATO want to move on with this. And I am afraid that they just might do this without Greece.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

And I am afraid that they just might do this without Greece.

I'm afraid they're legally unable to. However, they can do it without FYROM.

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by Draco

I'm afraid they're legally unable to. However, they can do it without FYROM.

As far as the EU is concerned, the fire in this issue has only been fed by Greece. It bothers no one else. It is all over a name. Think about it.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

As far as the EU is concerned, the fire in this issue has only been fed by Greece. It bothers no one else. It is all over a name. Think about it.

Greece matters.You dont.

[pankration]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

As far as the EU is concerned, the fire in this issue has only been fed by Greece. It bothers no one else. It is all over a name. Think about it.

You do know that you're writing on a website called Macedoniaontheweb don't you? This website has thousands of scholarly and legitimate postings on this issue with FYROM. It is NOT simply a name issue; you know it, I know it and every Slav and Greek knows it. It's one step in a propaganda war that seeks to legitimatize territorial claims by stealing someone else's identity. And it works beautifully (look how Hitler was able to "reclaim" the Rhineland to start WW II). FYROM is working on the theory that if you say it often enough people will believe it. And so far it is working. If it wasn't for the diaspora Greeks raising hell about it, even Greece would have probably capitulated by now. But we on this forum and others who agree with the ideas presented here realize that historical revisionism is the basest of political manouvers and the vilest of propaganda. FYROM should honor its SLAVIC heritage, its SLAVIC scholars and its SLAVIC heroes. That's what makes an identity not the stealing of your neighbor's history. FYROM needs Greece; Greece probably could use an ally in the region. Both should be seeking a mutually agreeable compromise but Greece should not give in on this issue. If they do they leave the door open to future claims by the brainwashed children in the Skopjean school system (Hitler youth?).

[Melbourne Patriot]

The survival of FYROM is not Greeces problem. Greek interests will continue to own the businesses, the land, the infrastructure anyway on any breakup of FYROM.

In the end, Its VETO time in both the EU and NATO. The EU and NATO might not like it, but thats how it is. We have the right to VETO for any number of reasons, we already have plenty of reasons. The Greek Government will VETO when the time comes.

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by pankration

You do know that you're writing on a website called Macedoniaontheweb don't you? This website has thousands of scholarly and legitimate postings on this issue with FYROM. It is NOT simply a name issue; you know it, I know it and every Slav and Greek knows it. It's one step in a propaganda war that seeks to legitimatize territorial claims by stealing someone else's identity. And it works beautifully (look how Hitler was able to "reclaim" the Rhineland to start WW II). FYROM is working on the theory that if you say it often enough people will believe it. And so far it is working. If it wasn't for the diaspora Greeks raising hell about it, even Greece would have probably capitulated by now. But we on this forum and others who agree with the ideas presented here realize that historical revisionism is the basest of political manouvers and the vilest of propaganda. FYROM should honor its SLAVIC heritage, its SLAVIC scholars and its SLAVIC heroes. That's what makes an identity not the stealing of your neighbor's history. FYROM needs Greece; Greece probably could use an ally in the region. Both should be seeking a mutually agreeable compromise but Greece should not give in on this issue. If they do they leave the door open to future claims by the brainwashed children in the Skopjean school system (Hitler youth?).

Paranoia and groundless.

[Reaper]

I spoke to a Fyromian yesterday. He told me he was a descendant of Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians. He said his language was a direct descendant of Alexander's language.

Who taught him this, or did he just invent it? I think unless you have been educated in FYROM or seen what they are actually taught, it looks stupid when you try and defend their position and indeed pretend they are not brainwashed.

[Xiotis]

Originally Posted by GreekSlav

Paranoia and groundless.

GreekSlav, your statement is groundless. One need not look further than the dozens upon dozens of websites authored and maintained by our friends from FYROM to get an accurate guage of their sentiments. Their diaspora organizations, their so called 'Human Rights' organizations and even their government and cultural institutions have joined in on the act promoting a false history and artificial culture. From these actions it is obvious that from their point of view the legitimization of the name 'Macedonia' as a descriptor for their country and their ethnos will facilitate their claim as being the official representatives and heirs of the whole region they claim as 'Macedonia' along with all of the social, cultural and historical constructs associated with the name. I do not want a new Greek generation dealing with this issue when the offspring of these brainwashed maniacs are running their country 50 years from now (if FYROM does still exist). Just because their government does not commit political suicide in front of the international community and overtly make irridentist and/or aggressive statements is no reason for us to turn a blind eye to all of the garbage being promoted and espoused by the mass of fools in FYROM and their diaspora.

[Istor]

Bre Slav-Slav, do you speak SlavoSkopian?
If yes, would you tell us what SlavoSkopian pupils do learn about Greek 'atrocities' against SlavoSkopians?

Greek researchers here tell us that SlavoSkopians equalize Greeks (vs SlavoSkopians) to Turks (vs Kurds). Are they lying?