The USA does not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group�

[Amarantos]

ΗΠΑ: Η ΠΓΔΜ στο ΝΑΤΟ μέσω… Ελλάδας
Για να προχωρήσει η ένταξη της ΠΓΔΜ στο ΝΑΤΟ θα πρέπει προηγουμένως να έχει επιλύσει την διαφορά της με την Ελλάδα γύρω από το όνομα

ΤΗΝ ΕΚΤΙΜΗΣΗ έκανε ο εκπρόσωπος του Στέιτ Ντιπάρτμεντ, Σον Μακόρμακ, αποσαφηνίζοντας την αμερικανική θέση στο θέμα, και στέλνοντας στα Σκόπια το σαφές μήνυμα ότι η ένταξη στην Ατλαντική Συμμαχία δεν είναι διασφαλισμένη αλλά περνά μέσα από τη συμφωνία με την Αθήνα στο θέμα του ονόματος. Ήταν η πιο ξεκάθαρη επίσημη τοποθέτηση της κυβέρνησης των ΗΠΑ στο θέμα, και με αυτή ζητείται ουσιαστικά από την γειτονική χώρα να επιδείξει την αναγκαία ευελιξία στις διαπραγματεύσεις που γίνονται υπό την αιγίδα του μεσολαβητή του ΟΗΕ Μάθιου Νίμιτς.

«Υπάρχει μια διαδικασία που βρίσκεται σε εξέλιξη μεταξύ του ΝΑΤΟ ως οργανισμού, των μελών του, και της 'Μακεδονίας' που επιθυμεί να ενταχθεί στην Ατλαντική Συμμαχία», τόνισε ο κ. Μακόρμακ και υπογράμμισε ότι μπορεί οι ΗΠΑ να αναγνώρισαν την χώρα ως 'Μακεδονία', αλλά η Ελλάδα δεν το έκανε, και καθώς βρίσκονται σε εξέλιξη διαβουλεύσεις με χώρες που δεν είναι μέλη αλλά επιθυμούν να γίνουν, τα θέματα που τις αφορούν και εκκρεμούν πρέπει να επιλυθούν.

«Εάν πρόκειται κάποτε να φθάσουμε στην ένταξη της Μακεδονίας στο ΝΑΤΟ, θα χρειασθεί όλα τα κράτη-μέλη να συμφωνήσουν ότι η Μακεδονία πρέπει να ενταχθεί», επισήμανε ο κ. Μακόρμακ και στο πλαίσιο αυτό υπενθύμισε ότι το ΝΑΤΟ είναι ένας οργανισμός που λειτουργεί με την αρχή της ομοφωνίας και η Ελλάδα είναι μέλος του. Άρα, συνέχισε, «εάν φθάσουμε σε αυτό σημείο, [το όνομα] είναι ένα θέμα που θα χρειασθεί να λυθεί μεταξύ της Μακεδονίας και της Ελλάδας».

Απαντώντας και σε άλλη σχετική ερώτηση επανήλθε με ακόμη μεγαλύτερη σαφήνεια, λέγοντας ότι το όνομα «δεν είναι ένα θέμα που αφορά εμάς, αλλά είναι σαφές ότι αφορά την ελληνική κυβέρνηση. Θα χρειασθεί να λυθεί εάν η Μακεδονία πρόκειται ποτέ να προχωρήσει περισσότερο στον δρόμο προς την ένταξη στο ΝΑΤΟ».

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[Amarantos]

QUESTION: On FYROM, Mr. Casey. Your Ambassador to Skopje, Gillian Milovanovic stated the other day, "Greece cannot raise a veto against the admission of Macedonia into NATO." Two questions: Number one, under which capacity she is talking on behalf of the Greek Government about veto; number two, I'm wondering who authorized her to make such a provocative statement against Greece.

MR. CASEY: Mr. Ambassador -- (laughter). Mr. Ambassador, Mr. Lambros -- (laughter). Boy, it is Monday, guys. I'll tell you. (Laughter.)

QUESTION: He does enjoy a certain exalted status. (Laughter.)

MR. CASEY: Yes, we all have -- we all have. Look, I'm not going there. I got into enough trouble already.

Mr. Lambros, I'm sure the Ambassador, in whatever capacity he was making the remarks, did so in full conformity with U.S. policy. I certainly haven't seen those remarks. But as we all know NATO is an organization that operates by consensus. I would fully expect that when the time came for consideration of new membership that the procedures there would work as they have in the past, which would be a requirement, of course, that all countries, all current members, accede to the admission of new members. Again, with respect to --

(Briefing paused for a Public Address System announcement.)

QUESTION: Is that on the record?

MR. CASEY: I think that's on -- I don't know, should we put it in the transcript or shouldn't we? (Laughter.)

QUESTION: What is the answer?

MR. CASEY: Yeah, I didn't know you were inciting violence now, Mr. Lambros. That's a terrible thing.

But again, Mr. Lambros, as we all know, NATO's procedures for admitting new members are clear and consistent. It operates under consensus. Certainly, I would hope that we would see -- be able to see consensus on the admission of new members at a time when NATO chooses to take them.

You know and you've heard from us about our position about the membership of a number of countries, including Macedonia. We continue to believe it's important that all of those states that wish to be members, that are part of the membership action plan, continue to do the things necessary to be able to meet the criteria for membership.

With respect to the issue of the name between Greece and Macedonia, we continue to support a negotiated agreement on that between Greece and Macedonia under the auspices of the United Nations.

QUESTION: Can you take this question to see if it is said by your Ambassador -- the statement?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, you can go talk to the Ambassador about their remarks. I'm sure the Embassy can help you in terms of clarifying them.


Daily Press Briefing -- June 25

[Amarantos]

QUESTION: Mr. McCormack, on FYROM. Anything to say about this --

MR. MCCORMACK: (Inaudible.)

QUESTION: FYROM.

MR. MCCORMACK: Okay, okay.

QUESTION: (Inaudible.) Anything to say about the -- today's meeting between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Foreign Minister of FYROM Antonio Milososki?

MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah. They had a good meeting and they talked about a wide range of topics. They talked about the neighborhood. They talked about Kosovo. They talked about bilateral relations between Macedonia and Greece. And one of the things the Secretary underlined was the importance of Macedonia working in the UN process to resolve the name issue, including Greece. As you know, we have made our own decision on that, as have other countries, but it's an important issue to resolve.

QUESTION: She emphasized?

MR. MCCORMACK: Excuse me?

QUESTION: She -- the Secretary emphasized that --

MR. MCCORMACK: It is one among a number of different things. She -- and look, there is no pushback from the Foreign Minister. He said that this was something that they are engaged in, they are willingly engaged in, and actively engaged in.

They also talked about the fact that Macedonia has contributed troops and is contributing troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Secretary thanked him for those contributions.

What else? That was basically it. It was mostly neighborhood issues, Afghanistan, Iraq and bilateral relations between Greece and Macedonia.

QUESTION: Mr. McCormack, who asked for the meeting -- the Secretary or Mr. Milososki? And how long lasted?

MR. MCCORMACK: It lasted half an hour, as they typically do, as these foreign minister meetings do. I can't tell you who asked for the meeting. It's a mutual consent. I mean, she -- Secretary Rice wanted to see him.

QUESTION: Okay. And the last one. Did he invite the Secretary to visit Skopje, and how soon?

MR. MCCORMACK: I don't think that there was a specific invitation during this meeting, but the Secretary at some point, I am sure, looks forward to visiting Macedonia.

Daily Press Briefing
Sean McCormack, Spokesman
Washington, DC
July 10, 2007

Daily Press Briefing -- July 10

[Philip II Macedonian]

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. [U]The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know.[/u]




Thats mean that US Government politics don't recognize any country by themes language or other sort of sub-national group

[GreekSlav]

Original Statement

QUESTION: That means also that you recognize also the existence of Macedonia language and ethnicity?

MR. CASEY: Mr. Lambros, it means we recognize Macedonia, the country, by its constitutional name. The United States Government does not recognize languages or other sort of sub-national groups like that as far as I know


The USA did not say that it did not recognize “a Macedonian language or subnational group”. The reply was straight forward, that the US government, as a general practice, does not have a policy on recognizing languages.

The USA has never recognized a “Language” ever. But it has recognized many countries. When France dipped its flag to the passing American ship Bonhomme Richard, it was the first gesture of one country recognizing the United States of America. France did not need to recognize the language along with the "dip". Any country that recognizes another country has no need to recognize the language along with it. It is trivia. Recognizing the country is the top honor.

So how did the word “Macedonian” get into the title of this thread? Maybe for your own humor? Funny guys.

And I know where this will lead, so screw Tito, okay? He was an insignificant Communist bastard.

[Truth Bearer]

You know and we know why Bush recognized fyrom.And it wasn't anything to do with him believing their bullshit story either......

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

You know and we know why Bush recognized fyrom.And it wasn't anything to do with him believing their bullshit story either......

It was definitely PURE POLITICS and rewarding them for their support of the war in Iraq. Plain and simple. If FYROM did not support the U.S Bush would have never recognized them as such.

[Istor]

But USA calls your language 'Macedonian'. This is wrong, as all World know. I am sure that when USA looks for translators, don't ask for Bulgarian, despite all World know that SlavoSkopian is a Bulgarian dialect.

[GreekSlav]

My Language, Istor. When did it become MY language? Did I create this language? Do I possess it or does it have my name on it?

[GreekSlav]

Originally Posted by Spartan

It was definitely PURE POLITICS and rewarding them for their support of the war in Iraq. Plain and simple. If FYROM did not support the U.S Bush would have never recognized them as such.

For some of you Greeks, there is always a "good reason" for any positive action in support of the Republic of Macedonia. How comical!