Maps and Macedonia

[Torontezos]

Hello everyone, I took the liberty of scanning some maps in the local library which blatantly disprove many arguments put forward by Skopje.
Specifically that Greece allegedly adopted the name Macedonia in the mid 80's and never once had any maps prior to that time with the name Macedonia.
This map:

Shows a map of Ethnic Greece in 1729 in Latin, notice the "Gracia" depicting where hellenic population lived at the time?
This map:

of Greece and surounding territory in 1917, clearly shows Macedonia within Greece's borders.
and finally this map:

is from 1941 documenting the anti-nazi guerilla fighting, once again we see Macedonia as a geographical toponym splite between Yuglasvia and Greece.

Now to look at their "nationality" and how they've been around for hundreds of years....

This map:

Was published from the 1923 census information regarding European nationalities.... I don't see a "Macedonian" one, do any of you?

[akritas]

Nice maps Torontezos, specially this from 1729

[admin]

That map from 1729 is GOLD. Dude you rock!

i posted it in the multimedia section with your name if thats ok.

[Torontezos]

No problem :-)

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

That 1729 map is a strong find. Thanks.

[akritas]

David H. Burr. "Greece." From Universal Atlas. New York: Thomas Illman, 1834

An excellent map of Greece by David H. Burr, one of the most important American cartographers of the first part of the nineteenth century. Having studied under Simeon DeWitt, Burr produced the second state atlas issued in the United States, of New York in 1829. He was then appointed to be geographer for the U.S. Post Office and later geographer to the House of Representatives. As a careful geographer, Burr is painstaking in this map to put in only information for which he felt there was a scientific basis.






Thomas G. Bradford. "Greece." From A Comprehensive Atlas. Geographical, Historical & Commercial. Boston: Wm. B. Ticknor, 1835.


A nice map from Boston publisher and cartographer, Thomas G. Bradford, issued in his Comprehensive Atlas of 1835. This atlas contained maps of the United States and other parts of the world, based on the most up-to-date information available at the time. This image of Greece is typical of the output of the firm. It shows the major political divisions, rivers, and settlements




Maps after Claudius Ptolemy. From Sebastian Munster's edition of Geographia.1552

A series of maps based upon the work of Claudius Ptolemy. In the Second Century A.D. Ptolemy was the librarian at Alexandria, the greatest center of learning in the Classical world. Ptolemy wrote two major works, the Almagest, an account of the heavens, and the Geographia, the first atlas of the world. The latter consisted of Ptolemy's compilation of all known geographic information, including instructions for how to make maps. Rediscovered in the middle ages, the Geographia had a huge impact on the awaking western European mind. Ptolemy opened up to view large parts of the unknown world to an audience just starting to explore beyond its narrow horizons. His structure for making maps, with longitude and latitude, and his usual northern orientation for the maps, became the standard from then right up to the present. Such was the impact of Ptolemy's work that even in the sixteenth century, a millennium and a half after it was produced, when Ptolemy's geographic conceptions were known to be wrong, maps based on these conceptions were issued time and again.

[akritas]

And now my favorite.
Macedonia, Thracia, Illyria, Moesia et Dacia Map from "A Classical Atlas to Illustrate Ancient Geography" by Alexander G. Findlay, Harper and Brothers Publishers, New York, 1849
Detailed description according Ptolemys Geography.
You can see clear the ancient place-names (Greeks and Thrakians ).
Of course Voden-Solun and the others Skopjan crops are not mention.

[Otto]

Dude you rock! :thumbs:

The Skops need some cyanide now...

[akritas]

Thanks Otto
Here now and the other half of Macedonia and Epirus

[akritas]

Byzantine thems in 1025.Give your attention where is the Macedonia .
Between South Boulgaria and Thessalonika.
As you know Skopjans vaptized both as Macedonia when the theme was in diffrent borders