Slav-Macedonian Heroes and Founders quotes

[Ptolemy]

Originally Posted by rtgs

:-) of course i am out of topic. because there are NOT much greeks from Macedonia in 1800s. so there are NO famous once at all. If we go back 300 or 400 years - there were no greeks at all.

the topic is macedonian heroes, so if there are some of greek origin, tell me.

I realize you cant help yourself from proving you are a complete waste of time but for the sake of materiality next time you wish to come up with one of your notorious empty claims, at least have some decency and provide a valid source to back them up, as i already pointed out to you.

If anyone followed your Fatuous line of thinking he could easily conclude there shouldnt be any Slavs in Macedonia prior to 1800s since there is Noone famous. Please try your best next time coming up with sth worthy for people to waste their time instead of your usual logical attrocities.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by rtgs

Just a simple fact: Do you know where was Krste Misirkov born?
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Answer: Krste Misirkov was born in the village of Pela, today in Northern Greece, in ancient times: capital of the Macedonian kingdom.

...But your bufoons chose to call this place "Postol":

http://www.misirkov.org/biography.htm

"...He was born in 1874 at Postol, the former capital of Alexander the Great, in the part of Macedonia under Greek rule...."

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by rtgs

please tell me. you asked


i asked where was born Krste Petkov Misirkov, and i answered: in Pela (or Postol as we name it, "Postol" means "throne", i.e. capital on macedonian)


and please tell me some famous greek from macedonia born in 1800s?

I've got someone before 1800:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanouel_Pappas

[kostas68]

We can quote the testimony of William Leake who visited Macedonia in 1835 and calls clearly Bulgarians Misirkov's ancestors:

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by rtgs

:-) of course i am out of topic. because there are NOT much greeks from Macedonia in 1800s. so there are NO famous once at all. If we go back 300 or 400 years - there were no greeks at all.

the topic is macedonian heroes, so if there are some of greek origin, tell me.

Ptolemy is right,you are a typicall sample of a Scopian troll,a complete waste of time.But i'll bother myself to answer you because i enjoy to expose persons like you who are blinded from their chauvinistic fanatism and the constantly brainwashing they sustain all of their life.If you want to learn about Greek heroes of Macedonia and the Greek revolution of 1821 in Macedonia read here.Petros showed you already one of them,Emmanouil Papas who was born in 1773 in my village.If you don't trust Wikipedia,there are many other sources:



At first read what ethnicities resided in the Balkans according to the English historian Gordon and guess who are not mentioned:




Now read about the Greek revolution in the Macedonian regions of Halkidiki,Thessaloniki and Naousa.The Macedonians uprised silmoultaneously with the southern Greeks in 1821.















The Macedonian armatoles (Greek term for a kind of irregular fighters) asked help from Ypsilantis,the military leader of <Filiki Eteria> the Greek secret organization that prepared the revolution.Off course we are talking about real Macedonians,that means Greeks.Your ancestors at that time,as all the authors and historians confirm still called themselves <Bulgarians>.The term Macedonian was then related only with Greece,when someone said Macedonian meant only Greek,the correlation with the Bulgarians began 5-6 decades later.




Perhaps you prefer a German source:


Read here how Emmanouil Papas and Chapsas from Cassandra led their troops to Thessaloniki.(By the way,it's mentioned as <Saloniki>,not Solun).


The leaders of the Greek revolutionaries Zaphirakis,Karatasos and Diamantis asked reinforcements by Ypsilantis and they planed also the spread of the revolution to Kastoria.(Not <Kostur>,as you'll ascertain).


The defeated Macedonians fled to the <liberated Greece>,not to Scopje.


The Macedonians under Karatasos' leadership fought in southern Greece alongside the Roumeliotes and Souliotes,not the Ohridski and the Bitolski.


The Greeks of Nausa killed the few turks of this city.


If it's not enough,take a look in a French source:






What's going on here,rtgs?What are writing all these stupid Germans,Frenchmen,Englishmen?Why should we rely on their testimonies,what could they know back then,since authorities like Stefov claim that in Macedonia weren't living any Greeks,that has to be the truth.These miserable westerners were bribed by the Greek propagandists,eh?

Read also this:


What lands considered many westerners as Greek?What considered the Greeks themselves that belonged to them?








Why both foreigners and Greeks considered Macedonia as a land that belonged to Greece?The answer is simple.Because there were living numerous Greek populations:



They had uprised against the Turks,simoultaneously with their southern brethren:



And they called themselves Macedonians,at a time when the ancestors of today's Scopians hadn't still <discover> this name:



Simple Greek people knew from whom they were descending,they didn't need king Otto to teach them that their ancestors were the ancient Greeks like Leonidas,Nestor and Alexander the Great:



Do you believe that your ancestors knew back in 1828 more about Alexander the Great and Macedonia or about Djenghis Han and Mongolia?

Read also here,how the Greeks of Macedonia called themselves <Macedonians> many years before your ancestors discover this name:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ki-1858-a.html

And if all this isn't enough for you,you can find here whether there were living any Greeks in Macedonia in 16th century and what they knew about Alexander the Great:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ad-1553-a.html

Or look here:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ulgarians.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...tsi-again.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ed-greeks.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...edontsite.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ia-1854-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...35-london.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...macedonia.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...hy-1839-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ey-1877-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ulgarians.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ey-1869-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ns-1913-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...rs-1912-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ew-1901-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...er-1927-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ds-1816-a.html
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...ey-1897-a.html

[akritas]

kostas can we stay in the topic please ?
dont play the stupid games of a Scopian troll.

[rtgs]

Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis

I've got someone before 1800:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanouel_Pappas

"Born in Dovitsa, Serres, son to a priest, ......"

Of course. Priest settled first. Or maybe they just converted from macedonians to greeks, so his father changed to greek in order to be priest.

whatever... if you go on, you will see that he "landed" in macedonia, that means probably that he came from greece?

very strong "macedonian".


i do not deny that there were greeks in macedonia, but they were so few - that is the fact. you do not have any famous greek from macedonia from that time. because there were not many.

[kzk842]

Originally Posted by rtgs

"Born in Dovitsa, Serres, son to a priest, ......"

Of course. Priest settled first. Or maybe they just converted from macedonians to greeks, so his father changed to greek in order to be priest.

whatever... if you go on, you will see that he "landed" in macedonia, that means probably that he came from greece?

very strong "macedonian".


i do not deny that there were greeks in macedonia, but they were so few - that is the fact. you do not have any famous greek from macedonia from that time. because there were not many.

What are you talking about?
Just at the north of Macedonia you could find in the past Skopians mixed with Greek and Vlach population.

BTW the famoust Macedonian is Zorba the Greek from Katafygi of Kozani preference,or is he not a Greek?

[Relax be]

Hitherto our people have been most interested in simply gaining full political autonomy; however, while still pursuing our national interests, they allowed various uninvited guests to make their way in, such as the Greeks, the Bulgarians and the Serbs. The political battle, then, is followed by the national battle. But the battle against various forms of propaganda in Macedonia is a step ahead, and not behind, for this too is part of the battle for freedom, a battle against the dark forces which will not allow our country to look at its own interests with its own eyes and force it to see through glasses which darken the truth and color it in Greek, Serbian or Bulgarian shades. The time has come to cast off the blinkers of religious propaganda forced on Macedonia.

K.P. Misirkov
On the Macedonian Matters.

[TALOS]

Originally Posted by Relax be

K.P. Misirkov
On the Macedonian Matters.

dear schismatic,

"On Macedonian Matters" was published in 1903

in an article in the "20th of July" newspaper in Sofia, 1919 he wrote:
"Whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians, we have always maintained a separate, unified, and different nationality from the Serbs, and we have Bulgarian consciousness."

In a separate publication in the Bulgarian newspaper "Mir" from 1919 he refers to the part of Macedonia occupied by Serbia as a "purely Bulgarian country", since the 6th century.


i think by 1919 he clearly knew or found out what he was.

i believe in a few years u will agree with Misilikov