FYROM Name Issue …. self-determination or territorial aspiration issue?

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Victor

THis is a very common mistake but Mexico is actually part of North AMerica.Everything south of MExico down to Panama is part of Central America.

The answer to your question would be USA,but it would never happen because a Mexican would always say he was a MExican.

Why can't he call himself a American if he wants to?? He is free to do that if he wants to. And then he should blaim and ask from the Americans to change their etnicy since he can't identify as an ''American'' without being assosiated with USA. And the Americans as good neighbours should change their etnicy since they don't ocupy the whole terrytory of America. Is that right Akritas??

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

Why can't he call himself a American if he wants to?? He is free to do that if he wants to. And then he should blaim and ask from the Americans to change their etnicy since he can't identify as an ''American'' without being assosiated with USA. And the Americans as good neighbours should change their etnicy since they don't ocupy the whole terrytory of America. Is that right Akritas??

Like the absolut case ?

Americans have answer in your question



I didnt forget you as regards the rests.

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by akritas

Like the absolut case ?

Americans have answer in your question



I didnt forget you as regards the rests.

If you read carefull it has nothing to do with the Absolut case Votka.

And for the ,,Tito inspired map'' it shows the region of Macedonia and the zones of ocupation by the Axis in WW2. It has nothing to do with propaganda against Greece.. If it was like that then why don't the Bulgarians and Albanians give a damn. Are you that paranoid??

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

Why can't he call himself a American if he wants to?? He is free to do that if he wants to. And then he should blaim and ask from the Americans to change their etnicy since he can't identify as an ''American'' without being assosiated with USA. And the Americans as good neighbours should change their etnicy since they don't ocupy the whole terrytory of America. Is that right Akritas??

Anyone is free call himself whatever they want just as everyone is free to recognize it or not recognize it.
The USA would never offcially recognize a MExican national as an American,never mind that a MExican would never call himself a n American inthe first place.

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

That is a proof to show that we have iredentistic claims in our constitution? The Faculty of Philosophy is entitled to free interpretation of the ,,Strugle of the Macedonian people for independance and a national state''.
It has nothing to do with the constitution. The constitution has in itself very clear laws and obligations by which the country is ruled, and gues what it is not connected to what the profesors from the Faculty of Philosophy think. Your reasoning is quite BAD regarding this mater

Your constitution is clear and basing according ASNOM historical decisions. Greek side requested via UN and since your creation as State to delete ALL the texts that have iredentistic claims.
Change of the Preamble is part of the UN talks.

But what UN talks, when Gruevski act as....



He cant hide FYROM irredentism. Gruevski is no less also provocative at home. The leader of the opposition was recently sent to jail while the country’s moderate president, Branko Crvenkovski, has slammed the premier’s populism.

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

The name of the constitution is an internal mater in which UN or any other country can't interfear. Name for international use is another thing. Our goverment said clearly that we shouldn't extend the talks in something that is internal bussines. You wanted to do that, so now you have letters with Macedonian minority flowing.

As the Greek side is clearly,...one name for "erga omnes". As long as FYROM plays at being a crusader for nationalist fantasies, he will sink in the political morass. And as she sinks, FYROM is obvious act spasmodically and ridiculously. Greek side fortunely show patience. Only if FYROM gets serious can she negotiate a solution, one that will reflect the reality of the region and not harm the interests of either side. Until then, the price that the Slavmacedonian people will pay will be much greater than they think it is today.

What kind of a Macedonian are you?? Ethnic or regional?? With what group of people do you identify with?? Only with the Greek regional Macedonians or with all the Greeks??
For the last ,poor you. Buhu you can't call yourselve a Macedonian and not to be afiliated with us! What should we do know?? Change our etnicy so that your heart won't get broken??
The fact is you can identify as a Macedonian(regional or whatever) which is your right. But your identification shouldn't and musn't be an opsticle for others to identify as they want to. Stop acting like spoiled children. ''Momy momy when i tell people i'm Macedonian they think that i'm from ROM. Why is that mommy, why is that''?

Cultural Macedonian...
Cultural Identity that is the mother of all. This that YOU FORGET ALWAYS.
My Macedonian cultural identity is not bargain.People have shifted identities and allegiances or relaxed their cultural boundaries according to changes brought about by history itself, or simply according to their personal economic and social interests. I am Greek you are Slav(despite that you deny your slavic heritage by adopted nationalist ideology like slavmacedonism)

How do we impede the right of your state?? You also can call yourselves as you wish, your region as you wish and your country as you wish! We are nor taking you that right.
And UN just acts only as a medijator for the TALKS between the countries. In the agreement it even doesn't say that a solution must be made.

the problem is not the name of my state.
But is the name of your state.And the kernel of the problem is that FYROM policy has long been based on old agendas, eventually the oldest issue on the national priorities of the states in the region, namely irredentism and great idea aspiration. Greta example....Gruevski photo and FYROM text school books.