FYROM Name Issue …. self-determination or territorial aspiration issue?

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Draco

A consistent pattern in Paeonian Bulgar nationalists' behaviour is that they claim that others are denying their identity and that this is bad, and then they proceed to deny the Greek/genuine Macedonian identity. I'm sorry, if you want them to recognize you, you have to recognize them, this is a two way street.

Well Ok then. Since we were so ''bad'' towards your people we are willing to accept your regional Macedonian identity, ofcourse as you say if we do that then you should accept our ethnic Macedonian identity.

Isn't that right Draco?? I know recognize your Macedonian identity!! Will you recognize my Macedonian identity and call me Macedonian now ??

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

Well Ok then. Since we were so ''bad'' towards your people we are willing to accept your regional Macedonian identity, ofcourse as you say if we do that then you should accept our ethnic Macedonian identity.

Isn't that right Draco?? I know recognize your Macedonian identity!! Will you recognize my Macedonian identity and call me Macedonian now ??

I recognize your non-Macedonian identity.Are you satisfied with the name non-Macedonian or Unmacedonian?It contains the term <Macedonian>.

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by kostas68

I recognize your non-Macedonian identity.Are you satisfied with the name non-Macedonian or Unmacedonian?It contains the term <Macedonian>.

I was talking to Draco!! I saw his post/replied and now i'm waiting for his anwser.

[Slayer]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

Well Ok then. Since we were so ''bad'' towards your people we are willing to accept your regional Macedonian identity, ofcourse as you say if we do that then you should accept our ethnic Macedonian identity.

Isn't that right Draco?? I know recognize your Macedonian identity!! Will you recognize my Macedonian identity and call me Macedonian now ??

Why would you want to share your ethnicity with a different ethnic group?

It's always the Greeks who complain about the use of the Macedonian ethnicity but you guys don't seem to care about us using it in a "regional sense". I don't think you guys truly believe that you are plain Macedonians. if you did you wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to keep the ethnicity but you would be fighting tooth and nail to have Greece remove any connection with Macedonia.

I have never been able to get my head around that

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by Slayer

Why would you want to share your ethnicity with a different ethnic group?

It's always the Greeks who complain about the use of the Macedonian ethnicity but you guys don't seem to care about us using it in a "regional sense". I don't think you guys truly believe that you are plain Macedonians. if you did you wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to keep the ethnicity but you would be fighting tooth and nail to have Greece remove any connection with Macedonia.

I have never been able to get my head around that

Exactly!It's the same as the story of Solomon's solution.When Solomon ordered that the baby that was claimed by two women should be cut in two pieces,only the real mother protested.

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by kostas68

Exactly!It's the same as the story of Solomon's solution.When Solomon ordered that the baby that was claimed by two women should be cut in two pieces,only the real mother protested.

The real mother agreed to give the child to the other women so that it won't be killed. So the real mother protested and let the child go the other women. Will you do the same??

Your position here is ,, give me the name for myself, it's mine '' while we are saying ,, it's not your's, it belongs to both of us since we both live there'' That's why we don't fight to deny you the right to feel Macedonian. If we do that then we will become what we never wanted, we will become like you guys, paranoid insecure bunch of people.

You are like the queen in Snowwhite. ''Mirror mirror on the wall who's the pritiest of them all'' and when it comes up that it's not you then you know the story, we make Snowwhite disapear so that we can be the most beutifull again

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Slayer

Why would you want to share your ethnicity with a different ethnic group?

We dont share our etnicy!! Etnicy can't be shared by my opinion. You can't have 2 groups of Ethnic Macedonians or 2 groups of Ethnic Greeks.
I think you can't understand the difference between ''Ethnic'' and ,,Regional''
identity. It's 2 totaly diferent things

Originally Posted by Slayer

It's always the Greeks who complain about the use of the Macedonian ethnicity but you guys don't seem to care about us using it in a "regional sense".

1. I've never seen someone calling the Greeks, Macedonians. That word is used only for us. So no need to create a fuss about it.
2. You have the right to call yourselves as you wish and noone has the right to deny it.
3. Even if someone else calls you Macedonians i won't have a problem. Why would I?? If someone asks me ,,are you the same'' i will say ,,no we are diferent type of Macedonians'' (ethnic and regional)''

[Demetrius Doukas]

You are Macdonalds my boy

[Demetrius Doukas]

You are obviously sick boy I'm not intentind to discuss issues with scopian who needs medical help..................understand .........scopian guy?!

[Demetrius Doukas]

1. I've never seen someone calling the Greeks, Macedonians.

Really scopian?............Everyone calls the 2.5 million Macedonians in Greece - Macedonians, Ok?! Just to remind you that I as a Macedonian unfortunately cannot recognize you as such and you are violating my rights Ok?! Now go to write better in the scopian forums.....................