Albanian language

[Ervald]

Looks like the slavic propaganda is deep inside you, but I'm not worried much cause I know the greek majority and what they think.

How can you proove something that some so called 'names' on the internet or books said?

Like the albanian of today and the illyrians, they lived in tribes and not in big cities, big cities were usually trade centers of the romans/hellenes.

We didnt had our own alphabet, but we used greek/latin one.
The language was kept through generation from mouth to mouth.
Just liek the tribes names and their kings, Bardhylis, teuta etc etc all have albanian meanings. when my grandfather's last name is Bardhi (hence king bardhyl=meaning white man or white star) and there was never mentioned in ym family tree and mixing with a foreigner, something like that was the worse thing for our people.

As you know there is still the Kanun law of 15 th century, an Albanian can marry only Albanian and so on and people are still following that law (mostly in the north and kosova).
We have same pagan gods just like them and same farytales.

and again, dont fall to any propaganda, especially you greeks, cause I dont see any reason, our enemy are the sllavs and the turks

[HellenicPride]

Albanians are an enemy as well dont forget that. Its your people that sided with the Turks to slaughter Greeks and its your people that make claims for our Hellenic land not us. So as you can see you fall into that category. Also its your people that are desecrating Christian churches throughout Kosovo and parts of Serbia. You really have some nerve..

[Ervald]

Originally Posted by HellenicPride

Albanians are an enemy as well dont forget that. Its your people that sided with the Turks to slaughter Greeks and its your people that make claims for our Hellenic land not us. So as you can see you fall into that category. Also its your people that are desecrating Christian churches throughout Kosovo and parts of Serbia. You really have some nerve..

See you know what Im talking, you know nothing about history, the slavic propaganda is deep inside your veins..the fools will die foolish u know.

Since when are we your enemy? Since when are countries so lovely with each other? give me an example?
If im not mistaken serbia controlled half of greece..right? your brothers?
I wouldnt call it like that, If you accept that the slavic Serbs are your brothers, that means that you are not a greek ..right?

Those oldest christian churches in Kosova region arent Serbian, the serbs just made them their own!

And dont bring religion for this matter, religion is the history and the country of the sllavs they dont have anything else.. Like the Bosnians, they are mostly Muslim Serbs..what amkes them different? Religion, so that is theis main history between serbs and bosnians.

You been calling me a mongol wihout knowing me, im telling you again none of my people mixed with any invader, I know my fmaily roots long before the turks came in our lands, and we took control of our land so we never had to pay taxes, or to have turkish colonies in our lands, hence Ali Pasha of Tepelena.

So next time dont mention any religion, if you want to know about religion then you should know that

christianity+islam=judaism the root they both come from the middle east and have nothing to do with your hellenic genes or your ancestors.
It's shame though you have greek pagan ruins with the christian flag who stole every pagan celebration.

xairete kai pali

[akritas]

Ervald most of the Greeks in these forum are from diaspora and they have learned what "dish served" from theirs sources.
Its up to you to show them what is your nation and how close we are.
Bur I am against in this that you said as about the Slavic propagnda.

The South FYROMacedonians in Pelagonia Region are close to the Greek people as also the South Albanians in North Epirus region.

So we must keep calm and avoid tensions.Give us your arguments and we give ours in an polite debate.

[Ervald]

All I know is that the sllavs took most of my land, also some of yours.

And they keep doing it.

I know what you mean ,cause I have plenty of greek friends here in Greece and they dont think like that.

But that doesnt mean that any person can talk wrong about me or my people, thats a bad image for the internet, they are increasing the diaspora haters who cant even speak the mother tongue

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Ervald

All I know is that the sllavs took most of my land, also some of yours.

And they keep doing it.

I know what you mean ,cause I have plenty of greek friends here in Greece and they dont think like that.

But that doesnt mean that any person can talk wrong about me or my people, thats a bad image for the internet, they are increasing the diaspora haters who cant even speak the mother tongue

I know and as I am mod here I will try to keep these debates with civil manners.
But to say quotes such....Slavs-Greeks-Albanians took this and that...... is a offending action and calling nationalism.And I think we must avoid this kind of quotes.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Ervald

You been calling me a mongol wihout knowing me, im telling you again none of my people mixed with any invader, I know my fmaily roots long before the turks came in our lands, and we took control of our land so we never had to pay taxes, or to have turkish colonies in our lands, hence Ali Pasha of Tepelena.

Theres some wishful thinking. You paid less taxes or no taxes because you adopted the faith of the invader. Its not about Christian-Judaism but more betraying one's history and identity. Someone who is not religious like me can see that this is a shameful period for your people who rallied under Kastriotis before the turks overran the place. quite a few Greeks betrayed themselves as well for personal gain and favour with the occupier. and unfortunatley the worst part of this, the bands of turko-albanians are a historical fact and not slavic or Greek propaganda. and about the so-called "alliances" , theres an alliance which is both historical and religious between the turks and albanians and it still exists in the minds of the countries' respective nationalists. for example:



I have nothing against Albanians though and I am with akritas when he says we should avoid talking about "Slavs are all the same" or "Albanians are all tourkoalbanians". This forum's main goal is to fight historical revisionism, provide a wealth and variety of sources on Macedonia and the wider region for visitors, not to promote ethnic tension

About the topic, there is not enough or any linguistic records to connect the Illyrian language with Albanian. There may indeed be a link, im not sure. i do know that there isnt enough data or any concensus on the matter.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Ervald

We didnt had our own alphabet, but we used greek/latin one.

Actually the first alphabet (1500's) was a mixture of Hellenic, Latin and Arabic letters. But there were regions where a purely Hellenic, purely Arabic and a mixture of the two was used.

Since when are we your enemy? Since when are countries so lovely with each other? give me an example?

Well 'enemy' may not be the accurate term, but one can note the long history of oppression during the Ottoman era, the events during the Italian invasion or even during German occupation. One could also mention the well known bus hijacker (A.Pisli) that is celebrated as a hero in Albania..
Not exactly what can be titled 'friendly' if you see what I mean.

[Ervald]

then if we are turko mongols why dont we ask to build any arabic temple in greece?

what are 'we' muslims doing in greece? most of us go to churches

Orphic_Hymn: As I said, we never had our own alphabet, we use greek, altin and differnt others writen language but not our own.
that doesnt mean that my grandparents could speak greek or turkish!

Voulgaroktonos: Me as an Albanian, im very pissed with the group holding that thing on the match.
I really cant say anything, the reason is because we dont have turks in albania, we have gypsies and other kind, so its kinda confusing.
They might be albanian minority living in turkey and came to see the match.



but in anyway the albanians arent that group!
I saw a group of greeks in Eksarhia burning greek flags...see what i mean.

if we were turko friends we wouldnt have our hero Scanderbeg, and we wouldnt have his flag!

and dont forget that turkey is against Dardania(kosova) independence.

and one last thing,, because our goverment is fucked up, you dont have to blaim the people. dont blaim us for the wars. it was italy and germany who invaded you, not us, they just used us.

[HellenicPride]

Originally Posted by Ervald

See you know what Im talking, you know nothing about history, the slavic propaganda is deep inside your veins..the fools will die foolish u know.

Since when are we your enemy? Since when are countries so lovely with each other? give me an example?
If im not mistaken serbia controlled half of greece..right? your brothers?
I wouldnt call it like that, If you accept that the slavic Serbs are your brothers, that means that you are not a greek ..right?

Those oldest christian churches in Kosova region arent Serbian, the serbs just made them their own!

And dont bring religion for this matter, religion is the history and the country of the sllavs they dont have anything else.. Like the Bosnians, they are mostly Muslim Serbs..what amkes them different? Religion, so that is theis main history between serbs and bosnians.

You been calling me a mongol wihout knowing me, im telling you again none of my people mixed with any invader, I know my fmaily roots long before the turks came in our lands, and we took control of our land so we never had to pay taxes, or to have turkish colonies in our lands, hence Ali Pasha of Tepelena.

So next time dont mention any religion, if you want to know about religion then you should know that

christianity+islam=judaism the root they both come from the middle east and have nothing to do with your hellenic genes or your ancestors.
It's shame though you have greek pagan ruins with the christian flag who stole every pagan celebration.

xairete kai pali

If you know your family roots then you know you are not Illyrian and two that you are not a European people. Religion has a lot to play with the hostilities your people and the Turks commited. Also religion is what kept my ancestors together under 500 years of Ottoman occupation.