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Let me first begin be thanking flipper for his post describing Tsakonian if has been of great help. I was looking online for some resources for Tsakonian and have found it somewhat difficult. It seems that much of the work was done in the 1920's and the books are hard to find and read(I know very little Greek and its ancient). I am an anthropology/archeology student from the United States and as part of the four field approach in the states we study linguists as well as standard archeology. I recently visited Sparti last summer and was very interested in the history of the Spartan people. As part of this linguistics class I was asked to give a presentation on an endangered language. I thought Tsakonian would be a great choice and might help get some of my colleagues involved with helping to protect these disappearing ancient languages. If any of you are native speakers or know anyone who is, I would be very interested in knowing your opinions on these questions. How do you feel about the loss of the language? What do you think are the main reasons for this loss? Is there a way to help/save the language? What are the major sound differences between Tsakonian and standard Greek? Has the language been affected by other languages other than Greek? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time |
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Laomedan welcome! I will provide you as much material possible. I have lexicon, grammar sources and even folksongs.
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So what is Tsakonian???I believe it's spoken in an area of the Peloponnese b/w Arcadia and Messinia is that right??
__________________ 'Go tell the Spartans,stranger passing by,that here,obedient to their laws we lie' Thermopylae 480 B.C www.macedonian.com.au |
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I have stayed at Areopoli in Sparta for 2 weeks few years ago and they definitely speak Tsakonian.
__________________ When countries had to register their names it was natural that the British wanted Britain as the name of their country, however they had to face the French veto because Brittany is a geographical area of France and that why they got the name, United Kingdom. I think as an argument this example is enough! |
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Tsakonian speaking areas in 19th century : ![]() [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img50/peloponnesosethnicld9.jpg/ It's so Doric and so deeply rooted !!! Take for instance the word for "sickling". In modern greek and ancient Koine it's θερίζω (therizoo) and in Tsakonic it's σερίνδου (serindu). Now : 1) σ for θ . The sound of "θ" until middle classical period was an aspirated "t" like in "two". From the late classical period and on the "θ" acquired it's modern fricative sound. The Ancient Spartans had a difficulty in the transition and so reproduced the new sound as "s" ...that's way we see them say σιόρ instead of θεός. 2) νδ for ζ . The archaic sound of ζ was "dz" ("ντζ") that's why we have both Ζευς/Δευς/Διας. So it seems that when all the other greeks made "z" a sibilant the Dorians maintained the old sound , hence Cretan Doric εργάδδομαι instead of standard koine εργάζομαι. 3) ου for ω .The laconian doric was a "doric severior" dialect , which means that used "ου" instead of "ω" and vice-versa ...let my remind you that the accusative "τους λύκους" in Laconian was "τως λύκως".
__________________ Μακεδῶν ἐξ Αἰγιδίου ...οἶά τε φύλλα μακεδνῆς αἰγείροιο "...like the leaves of a very high poplar" (Odyssey VII,106) κακοὶ μάρτυρες ἀνθρώποισιν ὀφθαλμοὶ καὶ ὦτα βαρβάρους ψυχὰς ἐχόντων "Bad testimonies are the eyes and the ears for persons having barbarian souls" ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΤΟΣ |
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