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Old 12-24-2006, 12:26 PM
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Auto to topic einai apo ta liga pou koitaei polus kosmos. Den uparxei kanenas logos na grafoume tipota allo edo, ektos apo etumologies arx. onomaton.
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''Her name, Cassandra, has two distinct meanings. Robert Graves translates it from Greek to mean "she who entangles men", which is ironic since, although she was stunningly beautiful, her 'madness' repelled most men and her prophesies foretold their ignorant deaths. Today, we call a "cassandra" someone whose true words are ignored, since Cassandra's doom was to predict what others refused to believe. (Graves p747, Powell p325)
KASSANDROS m Greek Mythology (CASSANDER Latinized)
Pronounced: ka-SAN-dros
Possibly means ‘shining upon man’, derived from Greek kekasmai ‘to shine’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros). In Greek myth Cassandra was a Trojan princess, the daughter of Priam and Hecuba. She was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo, but when she spurned his advances he cursed her so nobody would believe her prophecies. The name of a king of Macedon.''

I would like to ask which is the equivalent verb in the modern Greek of the words that Cassander has its etymologies.Also,if it is possible for someone to give me the etymology of Aspetos,a name that was given to Achilles from the Epirots

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I ll add the names that Otto Hoffmann (Makedonen, ihre Sprache und ihr Volkstum, 1906) has listed as "Makedonische Personennamen"

I ll post all the names in greek (since Hoffmann also lists them in greek letters)

Á,á

ÁâñÝáò
ÁãáèïêëÞò
Áãáèþ*
¶ãåññïò
¶ã*ù*
Áäáßïò [¶ääáéïò]
ÁäÝá
Áäåßá
¶äéìïò
¶äìçôïò
¶äõìïò
ÁåñìÞ*áò ?
ÁÝñïðïò
Áèáññßáò
Áßñïðïò
Áßóõì*ïò
Áßóõì*ïò
Áßó÷ñßù*
ÁëÝîá*äñïò
ÁëèáéìÝ*çò
ÁëêÜ*ùñ
ÁëêÝôáò
Áëêßìá÷ïò
Áìáêôõþ*
Áìý*ôáò
Áìý*ôùñ
Áìöïôåñüò
Á*áîßäïôïò
Á*äñï-
Á*äñïìÝ*çò
Á*äñü*éêïò
¶*äñïêëïò
Á*ôÝáò ?
Á*ôéãÝ*çò
Á*ôéãü*ç
Á*ôßãï*ïò
Á*ôéêëÞò
Á*ôßï÷ïò
Á*ôéðáôñßäçò
Á*ôßðáôñïò
Áðïëëù*ïöÜ*çò
Áñãáßïò
ÁñãÝáò
ÁñÝôçò
¶ñåôéò
Áñéäáßïò
Áñßììáò
Áñéóôüëáïò
Áñéóôü*ïõò
Áñßóôù*
Áñêåóßëáïò
¶ñðáëïò
Áññáâáßïò
Áññßáò
Áññéäáßïò
ÁñóÝáò
Áñé*üç
Áñýââáò
Áñ÷Ýäáìïò
Áñ÷Ýëáïò
Áñ÷Ýëáò
Áñ÷Ýðïëéò
Áñ÷Ýóôñáôïò
Áñ÷ßáò
¶ñ÷ù*
¶óá*äñïò
ÁóêëáðéÜäáò
Áóêëçðéüäùñïò
ÁôáëÜ*ôç
Áôáññßáò
Áôôß*áò
Áôôáêß*ïò
¶ôôáëïò
Áõôüäéêïò
Áöèü*çôïò
Áöüâçôïò

Â,â

ÂÜëáñãïò
ÂÜëáêñïò
[ÂÜëáõ÷ïò]
[Âåëéóôß÷ç]
ÂÝñäáò ?
ÂåñÝêêáò
Âåñå*ßêá
Âåñ*ßêá
Âëßôùñ ?
Âüëù*
Âïñáßïò
Âüôñçò
Âïýêñïò
ÂïõëïìÜãá ?
Âïýôáò
Âñßóù*
Âñïìåñüò
[Âõñãß*ïò]
Âýôôáêïò

Ã,ã

ÃáéôÝáò
ÃáõÜ*çò
Ãëáõêßáò
ÃïñãÜôáò
Ãïñãßáò
Ãüñãïò
Ãõãáßá

Ä,ä

ÄÜäù*
Äáßöá*ôïò
ÄáìÜóéððïò
ÄÜìù*
Äáïò
Äåé*ïìÝ*çò
ÄåêÜì*é÷ïò
ÄÝñäáò
ÄçìÞôñéïò
Äéçò ?
Äßì*ïò ?
Äéï*ýóïò
Äéüîå*ïò
ÄéñâÝáò
Äüêéìïò
Äñùðßäáò

Å,å

Åêáôáßïò
Åêáôåñüò
¸êôùñ
Åëáðôü*éïò
ÅëëÜ*éêïò
Åëðß*éêïò ?
ÅðéìÝ*çò
Åðüêéëëïò
Åñìüëáïò
Åññéäáßïò
[Åõäáßïò]
Åýêôïò
Åýëáéïò
Åýëá*äñïò
Åý*éêïò
Åý*ïõò ?
Åõðüëåìïò
Åõñõäßêá
Åõñýëïãïò
Åõñõ*üá
Åõñþðá

Æ,æ

Æåýîéò
Æùßëïò
Æùðõñßù*

Ç,ç

ÇãÝëïò
¹èáñïò
Çñáêëåßäçò
ÇñÜêù*
ÇñïìÝ*çò
Çöáéóôßù*

È,è

Èåüäùñïò
Èåüêñéôïò
ÈåïîÝ*á
ÈÝñóéððïò
Èåóóáëï*ßêá
ÈçñáìÝ*çò
ÈñáóÝáò
Èñçó[ê-]
Èõìþ*äáò
Èý*ïò

É,é

Éüëáïò
Éüëëáò
ºððáëïò
ÉððïêñÜôçò
Éððüëï÷ïò
Éððüóôñáôïò



(to be continued)
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I think that Hoffman was indecisive about the etymology of Perdikkas
1) Perdika
2) Περιδίκαιος = υπερβολικά δίκαιοςόπου συνέβη περικοπή του προθέματος σε Περ και διπλασιασμός του κ , διπλασιασμός που συναντάται και σε αρχαϊκοαιολικές μορφές

Also could it be that the etymology of Polyperxon is κατά Πολύ υπερέχων ??
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Hi Perseas,

Just a clarification - maybe Dionysophon means "Voice of Dionysos"; "phon" = φωνη (phone) = voice.

Thanks for adding the additional etymologies - keep them coming!
Andrew also suggests "-phon" as merderer/slaughter from "foneuein". Examples
"XENOPHON" = he who slaughters foreighners
"PERSEPHONE" = she that was slaughtered from Perseus , name that originaly was refering to Medussa , but in time characterized Demeter's daughter.
In the same way DIONYSOPHON = he who killed Dionysus . Don't forget that in Greek Mythology Dionysus was merdered from the Titans.
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LANASSA (ΛΑΝΑΣΣΑ)

A female name appearing in recent Macedonian inscriptions (AEK 353, Chalkidiki) . In mythology, Lanassa was the daughter Kleodeus, grandchild of Herakles.

Historically, Lanassa was the wife of Neoptolemaeos, the Molossian King who together gave birth to Pyrrhus.

The name is a distortion of LEONASSA (ΛΕΩΝ-ΑΣΣΑ). In some sources she gives also birth to 5 more children named Argos, Pergamos, Pandaros, Dorieas and Eurilochos.

The name appears also in Locris and Phocis (IG IX, 1, 624, IG IX1, 200).
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I would like to ask which is the equivalent verb in the modern Greek of the words that Cassander has its etymologies.Also,if it is possible for someone to give me the etymology of Aspetos,a name that was given to Achilles from the Epirots
does anybody knows about those two?
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does anybody knows about those two?

http://books.google.fr/books?id=6EsQ...hl=el#PPA18,M1

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KASSANDROS
means shining upon man, derived from Greek kekasmai to shine and aner man (genitive andros). In Greek myth Cassandra was a Trojan princess, the daughter of Priam and Hecuba. She was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo, but when she spurned his advances he cursed her so nobody would believe her prophecies. The name of a king of Macedon.

ASPETOS
Is divine epithet of Achilles in Epirus (Homeric aspetos 'unspeakable,unspeakably great,endless' (Aristotle F 563 Rose; Plutarch, Pyrrhus 1; SH 960,4)
Liddell,Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon
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