Etymology of ancient Macedonian names

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Teukros

KASSANDROS m Greek Mythology (CASSANDER Latinized)
Pronounced: ka-SAN-dros
Possibly means ‘shining upon man’, derived from Greek kekasmai ‘to shine’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros).

Maybe if "shine" is used in a metaphorical meaning, since according to the Liddle Scott Lexicon kekasmai means :

I would like to ask which is the equivalent verb in the modern Greek of the words that Cassander has its etymologies.Also,if it is possible for someone to give me the etymology of Aspetos,a name that was given to Achilles from the Epirots

I guess the first would be διαπρεπω, διακρινομαι..





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damn I'm slow at this..

[laagetes]

From κέκασμαι is there any surviving word of the same root in modern times?
Also I'd like to mention that Cadmus the founder of Thebes track his name from this verb.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by laagetes

From κέκασμαι is there any surviving word of the same root in modern times?
Also I'd like to mention that Cadmus the founder of Thebes track his name from this verb.

a) not one that I could find
b) care to mention the connection ?

[laagetes]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

care to mention the connection ?

Of course!According to the 'History of the Greek Nation' encyclopedia book A page 361 it says the word Kadmos has been connected by the Cretans-during the historical ages-to three words,spear,hill,shield which as the scientific society believes these words are related to the height.The words Kadmos has been found that it was given to one mountain and a river is Asia Minor,in Caria,to a rock in southern Illyria and to a river in Epirus.So it is believed it's derived from the ancient Greek verb κέκασμαι which means ''to shine'' probably meaning the reflection of the light on the surface of the water or mountain(related to height).Therefore,it might have a Greek or another indoeuropean etymology and not a semitic one.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by laagetes

Of course!According to the 'History of the Greek Nation' encyclopedia book A page 361 it says the word Kadmos has been connected by the Cretans-during the historical ages-to three words,spear,hill,shield which as the scientific society believes these words are related to the height.

This isn't Paparrigopoulos is it?
The etymology you mention is recorded in Hesychius' Lexicon (entry 61.1).. but we know that Hesychius recorded unusual words in it..

The words Kadmos has been found that it was given to one mountain and a river is Asia Minor,in Caria,to a rock in southern Illyria and to a river in Epirus.

Out of these all I could find info on was the river in Epirus, a tributary river of Thyamis actually. I don't know if the regions mentioned in A.Minor are related to the Cadusians (see Xenophon Cryopedia) but they just might be.. don't know if your source names the ancient texts or not, if it does, do cite them so we could look into it.

So it is believed it's derived from the ancient Greek verb κέκασμαι which means ''to shine'' probably meaning the reflection of the light on the surface of the water or mountain(related to height).Therefore,it might have a Greek or another indoeuropean etymology and not a semitic one.

The problem as mentioned above is that "shine" can only be presented as a metaphoric and not literal meaning.

[laagetes]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

This isn't Paparrigopoulos is it?
The etymology you mention is recorded in Hesychius' Lexicon (entry 61.1).. but we know that Hesychius recorded unusual words in it..

It's not Paparrigopoulos, it's the first volume of the encyclopedia of the 'History of the Greek nation' page 361 in the article about Cadmians where they are considered to be a pre-Greek indoeuropean people.

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Out of these all I could find info on was the river in Epirus, a tributary river of Thyamis actually. I don't know if the regions mentioned in A.Minor are related to the Cadusians (see Xenophon Cryopedia) but they just might be.. don't know if your source names the ancient texts or not, if it does, do cite them so we could look into it.

Yes it is a tributary river of Thyamis.As for the Asia minor regions the name was given to a river and to a mountain in the borders between Caria,Lydia and Phrygia.As for the Cadusians I don't know.

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

The problem as mentioned above is that "shine" can only be presented as a metaphoric and not literal meaning.

Some suggestions of the hypothetical Greenness of the Kadmians and therefore the Phoenicians of Epirus are given but it is consider more realistic to be another indoeuropean nation which lived there before the Greek-speaking people.In any case they shouldn't be confused which the semitic tribe which had a similar name given by the Greeks.As soon as i find time from my exam period at the university I'll write the whole text to make myself clear.

[Andrew]

Something about he two macedonian names Perdikkas and Ikkotas.

1) Perdikkas as "famously just" (περ(ί)+δίκαιος) , the doubling of the "k" in the word dike = "justice" is also attested in the female name Dikko (Δικκώ) found in an inscription of Akarnania around 250 BC :


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It's another verification of Livy's quote (31.29.2) : "Aetolas , Acarnanas , Macedonas , eiusdem linguae homines" (A,A,M , men of the same language).

2) About the macedonian name Ikkotas -instead of standard greek Hippotas- as a remnant from the mycenaean word for "horse" = i-qo (pronounced as ikwos) -instead of later greek standard hippos- we have the name Ikkos attested in the doric cities Taras and Epidaurus. The Tarantine Ikkos was a famous doctor-philosopher , gymnast and olympic winner in pentathlon around 476 BC

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by laagetes

etymology of Aspetos?

As everybody told you "unspeakable"

It seems that rarely the steretic "a-" becomes "as-" :

1) "α-"+"έπος" (=word) >> Άσπετος
2) "α-"+"έχω" (=have) >> άσχετος (worthless , non having knowledge)
3) "α-" + "πέδη" (=hamper) >> ασπέδιστος (unhampered)