Ancient Macedonian language

[Amyntas]

In his list of "Makedonische Worte" he has some words that Otto Hoffmann (Makedonen, ihre Sprache und ihr Volkstum) has marked as words from the neu-makedonischen dialekt of the modern greek language. When Hoffmann wrote his book (1906) this dialect was almost extinct and he points out that it is necessary to analyze the dialect soon because it wont exist for long.

Words of the neo-macedonian dialect with ancient origin:

áãÜóìïõò (agásmous):

áãÜóìïõò = çäýïóìïò (from áäé-üóìïò = áäý-ïóìïò)

Üëéïò (álios): meaning "Sun"; modern gr. Þëéïò; ancient mac. áÃ�ëéïò

áÃ*Üâá (anáva): meaning "upwards" (gr. áÃ*Ã�âá)

áÃ*Þãáôïò (anígatos): meaning "unworn" (homeric: "Ã*çãÜôïò")

e.g. "Ã�÷ù Ã�Ã*á öïõóôÜÃ*é ìåôáîùôü, êáëü áÃ*Þãáôï"

âñïõóéÜëá (vrousiála): (gr. Þëéáæù)

ãáÃ*éÜ (ganiá): "earing" from "ãÜÃ*ïò" (ancient word for "juwellry")

ãÜóôñá (gástra): somekind of "oven" is called like that; the homeric form is "ãÜóôñç"

ãëÃ�ðïõ (glépou): neo-macedonian form of the greek "âëÃ�ðù" (i see/watch); of doric origin (peloponnesian dorians spoke it as "ãëÃ�ðïé" from "ãëÃ�ðéïò" = "watcher")

ãëÃ�öáñïÃ* (gléfaron): neo-mac. form of the greek "âëÃ�öáñïÃ*"

[Amyntas]

i ll add the rest of Otto Hoffmanns words-list of the "neu-makedonischen Dialekt":

äé÷Üëé (dicháli): meaning "fork"

[...]äé÷Üëé "fork" (= äé÷ÞëéïÃ*; ancient greek ÷çëÞ, modern greek ÷áëß "claw"

êÜôáâá (kátava): meaning "downwards" neo-mac. form of the greek "êáôÃ�âá"

êëáìïýñá (klamúra): meaning "twig" or "sprig"

êëáìïýñá "twig" [or "sprig"] (from ancient mac. êëáììßò)

êëùóìÃ�Ã*ïò (klosménos): the opposite of "ëáÃ*üò"

e.g. "ôï Ã*Þìá ôïýôï åßÃ*áé ëáÃ*ü, åêåßÃ*ï åßÃ*áé ðëÃ�ïÃ* êëùóìÃ�Ã*ï

êïýðá (kúpa): meaning "cup" or (in modern usage) glass.; mondern greek form is "êýðåëëï"

êïýðá deriving from the homeric êýðåëëïÃ* ("cup"/"can")

êïýôñá (kútra): meaning "cranium"

êïýôñá is equal to the word êýôôáñïò that is first found in Aristophanes' works

ëáÃ*üò (lanós): meaning "smooth"

e.g. "ôï Ã*Þìá ôïýôï åßÃ*áé ëáÃ*ü"[...]
attic-ionic form is ëÞÃ*ïò

ìáêïýò (makús): meaning "poppy seed"

ìáêïýò "poppy seed" (=ìÞêùÃ*)

ìëßÃ*á (mlína): meaning "cake"

ìëßÃ*á "cake", shortform of ìåëßÃ*á, attic. ìåëßÃ*ç

Ã*Ã�áìá (néama): meaning "waste land" or "new land"

Ã*Ã�áìá "waste land" or "new land" derives from Ã*åÜù "new land" and the homeric Ã*åéüò "waste land"

îçñüò (xirós): ancient greek "øçñüò"; ancient macedonian "îçñüò"

îéÜëé (xiáli): meaning "knife"

îéÜëé "knife" (= îõÞëç)

ðáéóßìïõ (pesímu): meaning "to come" and "to go/leave"; modern greek ðçãáéÃ*åñ÷ïìüò

ñáãÜÃ*á (ragána): meaning "nettler" or "nuisance"; from homeric ñÞóóù and ancient macedonian ñÜãá

ñïõìÃ*ßäá (rumnída): [hoffmann doesnt write anything about this word and just leaves it in his list as it is]

óáêïëáßâá (sakoléva): meaning "canvas"; doric form of the homeric "ëáßöïò" (doric ö = â )

óôáëá÷ßäá (stalachída): meaning "fear/disturbance"; macedonian form of the greek óôáëáãìüò "pain/sorrow"

ôáëéôïõìÜôé (talitumáti): macedonian name for "sunflower"; from ôïõ Üëéïõ ôï ìÜôé (the bud of the sun)

ֆÃ*ù (cháno): meaning "to dehisce"

ç ðëçãÞ ֆÃ*åé

÷ïõëáßâé (choulévi): a dialectic form of "óáêïëáéâßïÃ*"

øéöß (psifí): meaning "sword/knife"; macedonian form of îéößïÃ* "sword" ; modern greek îßöïò"

øéôñß (psitrí): macedonian form of "îéôñß" (= îõóôñßïÃ*)

[akritas]

For what it is worth, the evidence - sparse as it is - suggests that a form of Northwest Greek was spoken in Makedonia, but structural linguistic affiliation does not guarantee intelligibility and it is entirely possible that the Makedonian dialect was as difficult for other dialect speakers to comprehend as the speech of the Aitolian Eurytanes was unintelligible to Thoukydides (3-94.5).

[Jonathan Hall, Hellenicity, page 155]

[Teukros]

Can anybody tell me why I cannot see the Greek writing?

[akritas]

If you have IE then go to View-Encoding- and click to Greek(Windows) and you will read the Greek text.

[Teukros]

Mozilla?

[Teukros]

something has changed here
Linguist List - Description of Ancient Macedonian

[Ptolemy]

“There is no reason to doubt that all dialects were mutually intelligible for purposes of simple communication, and most of them in the case of more extended discourse. Yet I must confess to a strong impression that if a Thessalian or Locrian, Arcadian or Elean, not to speak of a Cyprian or Cretan had made an extended harangue before a general convention of Greek States, in the unmitigated form of his dialect, such as we know it in early inscriptions, he would have been followed with extreme difficulty, if at all.”

Carl D. Buck - noted Linguist

[Ptolemy]

The essay of the linguist Anna Panayiotou about ancient Macedonian language has been selectively used by FYROM propagandists to fit their purposes.

In 1996 Anna Panayiotou presented her views about ancient Macedonian dialect in the 6th international symposium about ancient Macedonia where clearly she states ancient Macedonian is a dialect of Greek.

Its apparent, yet from the early 4rth Century, Macedonians, greek-speaking tribe of North-Western dialectical group, up to that time in the fridges of Greek-speaking world, adopted firstly for their diplomatical contacts and later for all the forms of written speech, the Attic dialect

[Peace Lover]

I now that Old Macedonian has the word Kandoj " Jaws " * .
I compare it with the Albanian dialects :
Shkip ( Kosovan ) Knoj 1: " Sing " ; 2: " Jaws " ,
Geg ( Northern Albania ) Kandoj 1: " Sing " ; 2: " Jaws " ,
Tosk ( Southern Albania ) Kendoj 1: " Sing " ; 2: " Jaws " ,
Standart Albanian Këndoj 1: " Sing " ; 2: " Jaws " .
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