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Old 12-28-2005, 01:58 PM
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Look what I find from a forum in the old says
Enjoy their ancient language!!!!


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avlija angarija adamant akola aktapod ambis andart armas armasnik armasnitsa aroma aspida astma bisagi bisaki vjasanie vrakozon vris vroma garganta gnida gramota darmon dafina dofina dekar dekara dikel dilav dipla digasi disasi disk dodekada drum dunia ergatin argatin eftinija ehidna zalis zevgar zegvar sevgar zilia zograf zugraf zunitsa ile ilikija ilinika imarmena armen jagurida jagurina kada kalam kalamot kalezba kalek kalesarnitsa kalimana kalitata kalap kalup kamato kamatnik kamila kamilar kanestra kapelija caps kapsima kaptsima karfija karfitsa katandija katara katizma kevalija keramida kiramida geramida gramida kerata kivur kimion kiparis kir kirie kira klistir klisura klon klonka kokal komat kopan korab kurab korem kofnid kromid kromit kumbija.



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kutija kutel kutsulja lad ladka lakau lamja lamnia lastar lahana laana leonka leunka lera liva livada lizgar lisida lit mavrada mavrud magare magnit malamo mandal mandra margar margarit migdal mindal mirodija merudija mistrija monokero mramor musikija muzikija murenka mustak muhla niruja nifa noima oktar uhtar omjas omjaz opistje ora kali organ oriz oris orisnitsa orfana ohtika oftika pagida paida pagur palivot palikaro panagon panag panak paplama papule parakav paramana paranom paraspur paratir parafir parjasnitsa paspal patrida peza peziol pendara pepun petal peher pizma pinakida panakida pinakota piper piperka pira pirg piret piron pirostija pirustija pisa pihtija plit plitar potir prama pramatar pramatija pras praz prika prekija pirkija progima proima prokopija proksinit prosinit proksinitra proskefal



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raftaca,rema,rovit,rofit,rivif,sazma,sakuljka samar samolad saratse safa svingar sidero sinap sinor skara skepar skilida sklavje skopos skumrija sokarditska spila splina spolaiti spolat spolai stafida stihija stija stipsa stiptsa stomah stomna stovna strak sulundar susam shedio taistro tajane tajani taksidar talant taros temel tef tigan tigani tiganitsa times tipkanie tiran tiranija tif trap trevlivenie trem triandafil trandafil trendafil trigos trufenie tseresa tseresna tsrkva tsveklo ulera uma uron falaka valaka valaga farmak fasul fijala fikija firida fortoma hortoma ortoma ftas ftis stis fuska hara harak harkoma harta hartija hiljada iljada horjatin horo oro hrizje hunija unija funija

avtonom,anapodo,anustu,aplos,afrat,babakeren,bezri zitsen,eftin,kerdosnik,kuf,kuh,levter,liksur,malam en,ne-praksan,ne-skoposen,oftik liv,pitimen,pitimija,praksan,prokopsan,spanio,stir ,stira,ftesen,harin,aren,harno,hondrokefal,apikasa m,pikasam,opikasam,upikasam,zapikasam,argasam,arga suvam,argisam,poargisam,aresam,resam,arisam,armato sam,armasam,arnisam,arpazuvam,vapsuvam,varjusam,vj asam,vtasam,vtesam,gavram se deksam,dikisuvam,dipljam,dukimasam,eksigisam
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:00 PM
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ela elate zalisam zalisuvam zgiavoluvam zigosuvam zilepsuvam zilosam zografisam zuvgradisam ilisitaksam isihasam isihisam kalamisuvam kalesam akalesam nat-kalesam katigorisam kenosam kerdosam kinisam kinisuvam klotsam laha se latipsa lipsam lipsuvam magepsuvam malamosam martirisam mirisam merisam molepsam muhlosam navaksuvam navjaksuvam namnisuvam napilesam omaleksuvam omjasam umjasam mjasam mnesam oriste orse papsam parakamnuvam param paraftasam parjasam pataksam patam pedepsam pezam pizmam plakosam plasam praksam



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prepsam prikosam prokopsam psovisam ptsoisam skiasam s-kitaksam skopsam s-lisam s-mramoruvam sosam stivasam stivasuvam streksam taksam f-taksam tentosuvam timisuvam tipkam tiposam tihisa trevlisam trigisam trufamse ftasam stasam ftesam vtesam ftisam harizam arizam harosam arosam agale nefela tora kata-den kata-vetser kata-utro katagodina mu maiko muanti para ami enu mi more mori bre vre ore re kakohrononahi pa pa!
agiasmo agripnija igripnie ambon anafora angel apokalipsis apopleksija apostol aro arhangel arhierej asketija aforismo gramatik giak didaskal daskal daskalitsa


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dijakonija dijarija dijeta diplomatica diploma djavol giavol evangelije vangelije evangelist egumen igumen eksarhos enurija epileptsija epitimion epitrop pitrop epopeja eres efimerija efharistija igemon idol ikona ikonostas ikonom ikonomija ipostas ipsoma istorija kalamar kalimavka kaluger kauger kalugerka kandilonaft kanon klisar kolas kolivo kontil lambada lipsana liptsana litija liturgija mager magernitsa magija magesnik magenitsa maesna martir matima melan milan milo metanija metoh metuh mirizma merizma miro mirosuvanie mitropolija moliv monastir monoklisija natema nafora nimosino



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ovtok Panagia panagir panagiur paradiz pakaklis parastas pater pateritsa petra petrahil plaka poli polielej politika pop popadija popagija prezviter pezvitera prosvora proskura proskop proskura poskura protoger protuger protosingel produdrak profet psalomp
psalt psaliir psalmodija psaltikija ravon raun savan vasan sarandar sindilija skolija skolija skola stihira stratik tartar tetradka tetratka timen temjan trapeza trpenza trimer trimir tron troni tropar filosof vilosof filosofija fotografija


Ore gia ta panagyria eiste bre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bubak vigla kamara kambana kantar kapa kapistra katinar kelar kelija krevet kukla kukona lamba lampas lukanik magija majstor mantija marula mesale mutra nunko nunka panukla palati pogan portokal rizik sapun skamija skufija spanak spitalje sterna sufra felija tsirimonia vula codix pangar paradiseretik katarosan hrisjanin aneste liturgisam metanisam mirosuvam natemisam proskinisam psalam skulasam trimeram anason afion efendija giubre kalem krevet kesten legen liman magdanos mastika mermer paravoli palamud peksimet pita picta porjaz safi somun sirma srma sunger talaz tefter tolosom fener filiz fidan sinik mania mani
of course some are Turkish and Vlach origin
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Old 07-15-2007, 05:23 AM
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Words with Northern Greek phonetic form

It is significant that many Greek words of the Slavic dialect of Skopje, are characterized by the northern Greek phonetic type as the change of unaccented 0 into U and of the unaccented e in i as also -less frequently- the rejection of the unaccented I.

1. The change of the unaccented o into u.
Anustu, enurija, flurin, zugraf, kaluger, kukona, mirudija, pirustija, ulera, uhtar, dukimasam, zugrafisam, skulasam, umjasam. The verbal ending -suvam (vapsuvam, zilepsuvam, kinisuvam, mitosuvam, timisuvam etc.) from the northern-Greek ending of the future tense -sou instead of -so.

2. The change of the unaccented e into i.
Ilinika, kiramida, latipsa, milan, pro (g) ima, proksinit, ririf', sindilija, skilida, tsirimonia, ikisitaksam.

3. Rejection of the unaccented I- Kofnid.


Historical conclusions from the impact of Greek on the Slavic Language.

The considerable number of words which came into Balkan Slavic from Greek, through direct ethnological contact, a narrow sample of which has been given above, is of major interest to the student ofthe national origins of our northern neighbours. For in addition to historical evidence in regard to the Slavic expansion in Greek temtories, the Greek linguistic influence shows conclusively that when the Slavs began to invade the Balkan peninsula, they found it inhabited by a people who spoke only Greek, and not, as Slav historians maintain, Thracio-Illyrian. If the opposite were true, the Balkan Slav dialects would have been full not of Greek, but of Thracio-Illyrian words, which the Thracio-Illyrians, undergoing a gradual process of Slavisation, would have carried along, through the stage of bilingualism which is common in such cases, to their new language. But where are those Thracio-Illyrian words? Qste simply, they do not exist.

Apart from the Latin language, the mother of contemporary Vlach which is spoken in some areas, and Albanian which is common in the north-western parts of the peninsula, the Slavs did not meet in the Balkans any other language but Greek. Thracio-Illyrian had disappeared a long time before their arrival, during the Hellenistic and the Roman eras. Only the Vissoi, a small Thracian tribe in the Rhodopi region, retained their Thracian language down to the 7th century A.D. It was hellenised however, before the Slavs could come into contact with it.

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Andriotis_The Federative Republic Of Skopje And Its Language

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Some Slavmacedonian Words from the language of the Church and Education.

Agiazmo- sanctification
agripnija, igripnie- wakefulness
ambon- pulpit
anaphora- reference
angel
apokalipsis
apopleksija
apostol
aro- charon, death
arhangel
arhierej
asketija
aforismo
gramatik
giak
didaskal, daskal
daskalits
dijakonija
dijarija
dijeta
diplomatika
djavol, giavol
evangelije, vangelije
evangelist
egumen, igumen
eksarhos
enurija
epilepsija
epitimion
pitrop epitrop
epopej
eres-heresy
efimerija
efharistija
igemon
idol
ikona
ikonostas, ikonastas
ikonom
ikonomija
ipostas
ipsoma

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And yet they'll tell you "the greeks stole these words from us"...

But they will not reply when you bring them the greek etymology...

Because these words do not have an etymology in their language...
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Their capitol city's name Skopje from the greek word Σκοπιά(Skopia) wich means viewpoint! (It was built as a viewpoint for the northern borders of Byzantium!)
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They will insist it comes from the... "macedonian" word shkup which means "greatness of city" (or something) and it was actually Alexander who built it...
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They will insist it comes from the... "macedonian" word shkup which means "greatness of city" (or something) and it was actually Alexander who built it...
It was an ancient city with the name Skoupoi (Σκουποί) but was destroyed by earthquake in 520 B.C.
Only in the Byzantium period was rebuilted (as i said before for viewpoint) and all though the official name was Iounstiniani (from Iounstinianos,the emperor who rebuilt it) everypody use to call it Skopia!
But even if they used to call it Skopia from the Skoupoi it's still ancient GREEK name! ΣΚΟΥΠΟΙ (ΣΚΟΠΙΑ). [Πτολεμ. Γεωγρ. Τόμ. Α', σελ, 455.]

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There is significant Greek influence in the cultural characteristics of FYROMian Slavs, that to a slightly smaller level in Bulgaria proper.Serbia is transitional between Greek, mostly cultural and Latin which exercised both cultural and somatic, influence.As far as I know, except very sporadically in linguistic studies, nobody in Skopje took a synthetic approach in evaluating Greek contribution to FYROMian culture or answering the question about post-settlement presence of Greeks in FYROMian territory, their origin and ethnological contribution.
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