Vinca or the Old European Script

[akritas]

I think that we must learn some usefull informations regarding this script. Vinca is a collection of symbols found on many of the artifacts dating from between 6,000 to 4,500 BC excavated from sites in south-east Europe, in particular from Vinca near Belgrade but also in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, eastern Hungary, Moldova, southern Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia. There is no agreement on whether these symbols are a writing system.

This writing system have yet to be deciphered or even have only been partially. In some cases the writing systems have been deciphered but the languages they were used to write remain a mystery. Of course you can find some articles that support the decipherent of this scipt but non of them is correct.

The Vinca markings have not attracted as much linguistic attention as recognized but undeciphered scripts such as Crete's Linear A and Easter Island's Rongorongo. However, the Vinča material has still managed to stir some controversies of its own.

The primary advocate of the idea that the markings represent writing, and the person who coined the name "Old European Script", was Marija Gimbutas (1921-1994), an important 20th century archaeologist and premier advocate of the notion that the Kurgan culture of Central Asia was an early culture of Proto-Indo-Europeans. Later in life she turned her attention to the reconstruction of a hypothetical pre-Indo-European Old European culture, which she thought spanned most of Europe. She observed that neolithic European iconography was predominantly female—a trend also visible in the inscribed figurines of the Vinca culture—and concluded the existence of a matristic (not matriarchal) culture that worshipped range of goddesses and gods. (Gimbutas did not posit a single universal Mother Goddess.) She also incorporated the Vinča markings into her model of Old Europe, suggesting that they might either be the writing system for an Old European language, or, more probably, a kind of "pre-writing" symbolic system.

Most archaeologists and linguists disagree with Gimbutas' interpretation of the Vinča signs as a script:
it is all but universally accepted among scholars that the Sumeriancuneiform script is in fact the earliest form of writing.

A rather odder controversy concerns the theories of Dr. Radivoje Pešić from Belgrade. In his book The Vinča Alphabet, he proposes that all of the symbols exist in the Etruscan alphabet, and conversely, that all Etruscan letters are found among Vinča signs.

Keep the above claim because you will find it in fron of you with debates as regard the old-FYROmian history.

However, these claims are not taken seriously by scholars, who demonstrate that the Etruscan alphabet is derived from the West Greek Alphabet, which in turn is derived from the Phoenician writing system.

This is however not completely incompatible with Pešić's views as he claims that the Phoenician writing system descended from Vinčan. Pešić's also maintains the continuity theory, which claims a Slavic presence in the Balkans far earlier than the usually accepted date; hence, the poet Homer must have spoken a Slavonic dialect (Pešić, 1989).

The case of the Vinca script is similar of the Linear A in Greece when some Greeks scholars claimed that the Linear A is a Greek script when is known that have not yet to be deciphered but have only been partially.

sources
Old European / Vinca writing
Old European Script - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Euklid]

But how does this aid the Fyromacs to their arguments?

Their language is not there, by using the greek words to decipher them?

And then say that these greek words are not greek?

Funny those.

I guess then we will just have to see the volume of the vocabularies.

[akritas]

Euclid the reason that I open this thread is to show that in the Balkan cultivating recently a theory that Vinca culture is a Proto-slavic.The reason is to collapse the known theory of the Slavic ivnasion-immigration at the Balkans and the Slavs were in this region.

Vinca-Veneti-Macedonian

This is the mainstream line of these schoolars.
Like Tziropoulou case in Greece
There are people that beleived this line because ignore that basic of history, linguistic and arcaeology. Some of them are the FYROMacedonians.

[Euklid]

Hm, interesting stuff.

Where do they fit in Cyrillo & Methodio?

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Euklid

Hm, interesting stuff.

Where do they fit in Cyrillo & Methodio?

As I know they try to extrication the Old Slavonic script and will remain only in the phonetic part.
Similar cases are the Roseta Stone and the Duros Europos.But in these cases the scripts have already deciphered when the Vinca or Venetic language were not.
Actually there is linguistic war between the Slovenian and Italian scoolars regarding the Veneti issue.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by akritas

sources

Old European Script - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just read this...

hence, the poet Homer must have spoken a Slavonic dialect (Pešić, 1989).

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by akritas

Like Tziropoulou case in Greece

Tziropoulou doesn't go that far re su..

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Tziropoulou doesn't go that far re su..

Ta idia muala kouvalai

[Flipper]

Mages...Edw kai kairo diavazw xenoglwssa keimena pou ypostirizoun mia neoterh theoria gia tous proto-ellines. Sigekrimena yparxoun xenoi arhceologoi kai glwssologoi pou yposthrizoun oti yphrxan parapanw apo mia metakinhseis ellinofwnwn filwn sta balkania. O Colin Renfrew*, kathigiths archaiologias tou Cambrigde, pistevei oti oi prwtoi Ellines metikoisan ston elladiko xwro to 6000 p.x kai ystera akolouthisan kai alloi merikes xiliades xronia argotera (pragma pou exigei polla pragmata gia tous Pelasgous). O souhdos Hilding Thylander leei oti oi Epirotes htan oi prwtoi Ellines (Archegonos ellas h Epiros pou elegan oi archaioi) kai oti egatastathikan gyro sto 7000 px. O Danos glwssologos Hinge leei oti h alithia einai metaxi tis palaias theorias (2100p.x) kai tis kainourgias, dhladi gyro sto 3200p.x. To idio ypostirizei kai o Coleman.

Prospathw na tous mazepsw olous kai na kanw ena report xwris na blexw romantikous ellines istorikous. Toulaxiston emeis den ta leme monoi mas.

* O Renfrew parousiazei endiaferon epidi kanei meletes stis sxeshs Ellinikis, Armenikis kai Phrygikis glwssas. Pistevete oti oloi autoi mazi me allous Anatolious (Luvious, Xettaious ktl) zousan kapoia stigmh oloi mazi stivagmenoi se ena meros me koinh glwssa.

[Flipper]

Episis xehasa kai ton Steven Long, o opoios milaei gia lanthasmenh hmerologiakh topothetish twn Ellinwn. Opos o Thylander, yposthrizei oti ta eurimata sthn Epiro topothetoun tous proto-Ellines sto 7000p.x.