Ancient/ non-modern historians on Ancient Macedonia and Macedonians

[Spirit]

Arrian's Life of Alexander the Great. Penguin Classics. Translated by Aubrey De Selincourt.

Page 172

"Porus, bringing up his elephants, followed these movements, guided by the noise, and Alexander gradually led him to make these marches, parallel to his own, a regular thing. This went on for some time, until Porus, finding that the Greeks never went beyond shouts and yells, gave it up. Clearly, it was a false alarm; so he ceased to follow the movements of the Greek cavalry and stayed where he was in his original position with lookouts posted at various points along the river."

Page 182


"Alexander promptly sent for Abisares, adding a threat that, should he fail to appear he would soon see the Greek army and its commander-in-chief and in an unwelcome spot."




Spirit

[sokrates]

Excuse me for posting here but i m not familiar with the site.
I just want help from you in something.
I want to translate the lyrics of thoukididis ΒΟΟΚ Α-142.
Ι ll give you the lyrics in Ancient Greek and i would like from you to correct it.

"Το δε ναυτικόν τέχνης εστίν,
ώσπερ και άλλο τι,και ουκ ενδέχεται,
όταν τύχη,εκ παρέργου μελετάσθαι,
αλλά μάλλον μηδέν εκείνω,
πάρεργον άλλο γίγνεσθαι."

Ι hope you can read ancient greek language and copy the translation in english from a book.
Sorry again if i ' m totally out of topic but i have searched all the internet for this translation and i cannot find it.
Thank you in advance.

ps:Sorry for my english (i' m from Greece)

[Ptolemy]

It has been reported to me that it was the rhetorician Isocrates who was responsible for the servitude that the Macedonians imposed on the Persians. For the fame of the speech Panegyricus, which Isocrates delivered to the Greeks, spread to Macedonia, and it was this that first stirred Philip's animosity towards Asia. When Philip died, the speech provided the incentive for his son Alexander, heir to his father's estate to keep up Philip's momentum.

Aelian, Varia Historia 13.11

[akritas]

Originally Posted by sokrates

Excuse me for posting here but i m not familiar with the site.
I just want help from you in something.
I want to translate the lyrics of thoukididis ΒΟΟΚ Α-142.
Ι ll give you the lyrics in Ancient Greek and i would like from you to correct it.

"Το δε ναυτικόν τέχνης εστίν,
ώσπερ και άλλο τι,και ουκ ενδέχεται,
όταν τύχη,εκ παρέργου μελετάσθαι,
αλλά μάλλον μηδέν εκείνω,
πάρεργον άλλο γίγνεσθαι."

**It must be kept in mind that seamanship, just like anything else, is a matter of art, and will not admit of being taken up occasionally as an occupation for times of leisure; on the contrary, it is so exacting as to leave leisure for nothing else**
(Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War,A-142)

sokrates just next time post in the free macedonia forum please

[Ptolemy]

Alexander the Macedonian, son of Philip, marched out from the land of Kittim, defeated Darius king of Persia and Media and became king in his place; he was already king of Greece. He waged many wars, conquered strongholds, and slaughtered kings in the land. He marched to the ends of the earth, and seized plunder from a mass of peoples, The earth fell silent before him, he was exalted, and his heart was filled with pride. He gathered a mighty army and ruled over territories, peoples, and despots, and they paid tribute to him. After that he fell ill on his bed and realised that his death was near. He summoned the most distinguished of his followers, men who had been brought up with him from his youth, and divided his kingdom between them while he was still alive. He reigned for twelve years and then died. His followers assumed power, each in his own province, and they all put on the diadem' after his death; they were succeeded by their own children over a period of many years. The earth was filled with miseries.

I Maccabees 1.1-9

[Ptolemy]

But if you consider the effects of Alexander’s instruction, you will see that he educated the Hyrcanians to contract marriages, taught the Arachosians to till the soil, and persuaded rhe Sogdians to support their parents, not to kill them, and the Persians to respect their mothers, not to marry them. Most admirable philosophy which induced the Indians to worship Greek gods and rhe Scythians ro bury their dead and nor to eat them! We admire the power of Carncades, who caused Clitomachus formerly called Hasdrubal and a Carthaginian by birth, to adopt Greek ways . We admire the character of Zeno, who persuaded Diogenes the Babylonian to turn to philosophy. Yet when Alexander was taming Asia. Homer became widely read, and the children of the Persians, of the Susianians and the Cedrosians sang the tragedies of Euripides and Sophocles. And Socrates was condemned by the sycophants in Athens for introducing new deities, while thanks to Alexander Bactria and the Caucasus worshipped the gods of the Greeks. Plato drew up in writing one ideal constitution but amid not persuade anyone to adopt it because of its severity, while Alexander founded over 70 cities among barbarian tribes*" sprinkled Greek institutions all over Asia, and so overcame its wild and savage manner of living- Few of us read Plato's Laws but the laws of Alexander have been and are still used by millions of men. Those who were subdued by Alexander are more fortunate than those who escaped him, for the latter had no one to rescue them from their wretched life, while rhe victorious Alexander compelled the former to enjoy a better existence. |. […] Alexanders victims would not have been civilised if they had not been defeated. Egypt would not have had its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Selcucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus (the Hindu Kush) a Greek city nearby; (329) their foundation extinguished barbarism, and custom changed the worse into better. If, therefore, philosophers take the greatest pride in taming and correcting the fierce and untutored elements of men's character, and if Alexander has been shown to have changed the brutish customs of countless nations then it would be justifiable to regard him as a very great philosopher.
Furthermore the much-admired Republic of Zeno, the founder of the Stoic school, is built around one guiding principle: we should not live in separate cities and demes each using its own rules of justice, but we should consider all men to be fellow demesmen and citizens, with one common life and order for all, like a Hock feeding together in a common pasture. This Zeno wrote, conjuring up as it were a dream or an image of a well-ordered and philosophic constitution, but it was Alexander who turned this idea into reality, for he did not follow the advice of Aristotle and treat the Greeks as a leader would but the barbarians as a master* nor did he show care for the Greeks as friends and kinsmen, while treating the others as animals or plants; this would have filled his realm with many wars and exiles and festering unrest. Rather believing that he had come as a god-sent governor and mediator of the whole world he overcame by arms those he could not bring over by persuasion and brought men together from all over the world mixing together, as it were in a loving-cup their lives customs, marriages and ways of living. He instructed all men to consider the inhabited world to be their native land, and his camp to be their acropolis and their defence, while they should regard as kinsmen all good men, and the wicked as strangers. The difference between Greeks and barbarians was not a matter of cloak or shield, or of a scimitar or Median dress. What distinguished Greekness was excellence, while wickedness was the mark of the barbarian; clothing, food, marriage and way of life rhey should all regard as common, being blended together by ties of blood and the bearing of children.

Plutarch, DeAlexandri Magni Fortuna aut Virtute. I 328C-329H

[pankration]

Can you imagine what a dark, unenlightened world this would be if it weren't for Alexander spreading the ideals of Hellenism across the civilizations of the time?

[Istor]

http://www.starkrealities.com/fortune.html

[Ptolemy]

To this part came as settlers Mycenaeans from Argolis because of a catastrophe. Though the Argives could not take the wall of Mycenae by storm, [6] built as it was like the wall of Tiryns by the Cyclopes, as they are called, yet the Mycenaeans were forced to leave their city through lack of provisions. Some of them departed for Cleonae, but more than half of the population took refuge with Alexander in Macedonia, to whom Mardonius, the son of Gobryas, entrusted the message to be given to the Athenians.

(Pausanias 7.25.6)

[Ptolemy]

But some go so far as to call the whole of the country Macedonia, as far as Corcyra, at the same time stating as their reason that in tonsure, LANGUAGE, short cloak, and other things of the kind, the usages of the inhabitants are similar

Strabo 7.7.8