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View Poll Results: What do you believe the FYROM should be named as a final solution?
Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia 0 0%
Republic of New Macedonia 1 2.44%
Republic of Modern Macedonia 0 0%
Republic of Northern Macedonia 2 4.88%
Republic of Macedonia-Skopje 1 2.44%
Republic of Vardaska 35 85.37%
Republic of Vardar Macedonia 2 4.88%
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:37 PM
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Personnaly before 15 years when the name issue was in the beginning, I was from the a few Greeks that said Slav Macedonia!!!
Today the international pressure specially from the US diplomacy is very severe and I think if we go back from the name FYROM will lost a lot of thinks with the most important ....our diplomatic and the most important national dignity
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:42 PM
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Guys we need to think diplomatically here, we have to keep in mind that they need to agree to a name as well.
I think Republic of North Macedonia will work provided there are stipulations that:
Better say Slavic Macedonia or Republic of SlavoMacedonia, just to emphasize the Slavic origin of its inhabitants as it should be.
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:50 PM
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Perseas, I would agree fully. Would they? Never. They don't consider themselves "slavs" even though they very clearly are.
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Old 02-20-2006, 02:59 PM
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I will surprise u here but i have to!
I dont care if they name their country...Pelloponisus or them selves..Spartians!!!
Until now we had Northern Hpeirus(instead of Southern Albania) or Eastern Trace(instead of Turkey) , so if they name their country Nothern or New or Modern "Macedonia" they will just give me a reason to want to liberate that territory from today's occupation!!!
If u know what i mean...
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Old 02-20-2006, 03:26 PM
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Diplomatically I believe the best would be Republic of Vardar Macedonia.

This way there will be a CLEAR differentiation of them from the Greek History.

Also the 20% of the country in the southwest part does lay within the Region.

I feel the most important part is to show a distinct and clear difference between them and the Ancient Macedonians, so they can no longer spread their propogandistic lies about their "supposed" heritage!

This will also allow this issue to get resolved quicker so that their "WAITING GAME" strategy doesn't play out!
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Old 02-20-2006, 08:18 PM
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Guys we need to think diplomatically here, we have to keep in mind that they need to agree to a name as well.
I think Republic of North Macedonia will work provided there are stipulations that:
They do not EVER:
regard Greek Macedonia as the same nation or land
attempt to link ancient Macedonia with this new republic
proclaim in any way, shape or form, directly or indirectly ambitions upon Greek territory
assist or promote, directly or indirectly any form of civil disorder/terrorism within Greek territory

Violation of any of these stipulations should result in a complete embargo of borders and business from Greece.

Of course neutral countries should sign the agreement as witnesses




I believe that any kind of mixed names with the word macedonia,hide behind problems in the long term future.In any way north-,vardar-,....combined names make their state the direct reference to anything macedonian and not Greece.The rules in favour of Greece's position don't secure anything again in the long term.We know that interests of neutral countries change,and so does their policy as regard to exterior to them matters.We should secure the whole issue ,without leaving undefined margins.Of course all this depends on how our diplomacy works.
As far as the possibility of an embargo is concearned in case they'd play dirty ,reading it i remembered the words of E.kofos:
"In the end, however, it was Papandreou’s brinkmanship in applying the embargo on FYROM that raised havoc and shifted the focus of the debate from the issues of Greece’s security and the Greeks’ perceptions of identity-heritage to issues of human rights and regional Balkan security considerations. Thanks to the Greek government’s bonanza offering, FYROM propagandists adroitly exploited a pro-underdog mentality among Western European and American human rights activists, to augment the ranks of their supporters.Criticism of the Greek government’s policies over the recognition of FYROM and its name, sparked certain human rights groups to focus their polemics on the issue of an alleged national “Macedonian” minority in Greece. (Human Rights Watch/Helsinki, Denying Ethnic Identity: The Macedonians of Greece, New York, April 1994, 85pp.) Their one-sided and frequently exaggerated reports indicate that the minority issue had been concocted to put additional pressure on the Athens government in order to abandon its maximalist position vis-a-vis FYROM. For a critical analysis: Vlassis Vlassidis and Veniamin Karakostanoglou, “Recycling Propaganda: Remarks on Recent Reports on Greece’s ‘Slav-Macedonian’ Minority”, Balkan Studies, Vol. 36/1, Thessaloniki 1995, pp. 151–170. Similar was the case of certain American anthropologists, neophytes in the Macedonian issue, who tried to assume the ex cathedra role of supreme arbitrers for social, political and historical cleavages in the volatile Macedonian terrain. On the rather light side, it suffices to observe that one of them, apparently lacking the historical background to comprehend the issues at hand, sought to construct his “own” revisionist history of Macedonia, by conveniently ignoring, misquoting or even degrading specialist historians of long standing. (Loring Danforth, The Macedonian Conflict. Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World, Princeton University Press, 1995). For an overall assessment of this phenomenon, see Professor Ioannis Koliopoulos’ “Introduction”, in the Greek translation (Thessaloniki, “Paratiritis” 1996, pp. 7–17) of Elizabeth Barker’s Macedonia; Its Place in Balkan Power Politics, London, R.I.I.A., 1950."
Evangelos Kofos.(Greece’s Macedonian Adventure: The Controversy over FYROM’s Independence and Recognition)


The whole situation would end up to be a vicious circle!!!
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Old 02-20-2006, 11:11 PM
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Although I respect what I think motivates Torontezos reasons for wanting to settle the issue, that is a peaceful end to a ridiculous situation. I have to agree with Amarantos here. No reference to Macedonia will do. It would be grossly inappropriate. The whole manipulation of the situation by the Slavs makes me think I'm watching a badly choreographed and acted B movie. I think an esy solution now, will make for a horrible time of it in the future.
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(Republic of shxamata) They should not be allowed to use the name Macedonia in no way. Macedonia is Greek and it should only be used by Greece its plain and simple. That other poster claimed the region is of N.Macedonia so what, the name has meaning and history to our people so nobody should be allowed to use the name Macedonia besides Greece.
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Macedonia is a Greek name and not for sale. Macedonians always have and always will be Greek and they are not for sale. They can not have it. Never.

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Old 02-22-2006, 02:24 AM
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If they had come up in the begining with the truth which is Slav-Macedonia I would have accept it !
If they did not had their Diaspora and their Stefovs I would have accept even North Macedonia.
Knowing what I know now about them I will say they should be named GIFTANISTAN! Period.
Hands of Makedonia...it only is deserved for human beings!!!
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