It seems that the Greeks and the Latins we are very close to a true Ferrara-Florence

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

There is no doubt that Orthodox Christianity united the Greeks.Today it's nearly impossible being a Greek and not Orthodox.This isn't right and because of religion we have lost a great many people who had a Hellenic consciousness.....

"There is no doubt that Orthodox Christianity united the Greeks."

Give examples and references please.

[Draco]

You may be interested in this website, the "Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiries". They have a bunch of articles here (a few of them have been translated into English here). In the Greek ones they say things like ancient Greeks didn't have a national consciousness and that modern Greece was created by Christians in 1821 AD (this one). It's not necessarily anti-Greek in outlook, it's just criticising the obsessions of neopagans to demonstrate pure descent, continuity of consciousness, language and religion with ancient Greece.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

This is a very interesting thread. Any updates to it?

[johnalexis]

I just wanted to say that I don't like the fact that our new Archbishop is so cosy with the Patriarch. This man (the Patriarch) is ambitious and I fear he sees himself as an Orthodox Pope.

We need to be very careful with him.

John

Link to a 2006 letter written by the monks of Ag. Oros listing their reasons for dissatisfaction with the Patriarch. Nothing has changed, in fact, things are getting worse because of our new Archbishop and his closeness to the Patriarch. There has already been trouble with this Patriarch concerning one of the Eastern European countries.

http://www.esphigmenou.com/text%20do...nd%20Cells.htm

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by Paulos Melas

Further Rennassance didn t happen under the influence of the Byzantine Emperor.
After the fall of the empire and the end of imperial power, all the greek scholars found refuge in Italy particularly within the courts of Medici and the doges of Venice and Genoa, and its then that the rennassance was initied.
And trust me the West was far more influenced from the Holy See than the imperial east from the imperial orthodox bishops who were following the absolute rule of the Emperors.

Actually it was Christianity that caused the loss of all those ancient authors for a very long time. It took almost 800+ years before they were brought back into the light. Greeks would have existed because they would have retained their individual identities such as Spartan, Macedonian, Athenian, Cretan, etc. But they all still would have been Greeks not in a National sense but an Ethnic sense.