Arguments on Albanian and Greek origins (split thread)

[Morphesau]

Originally Posted by Illyria

he was albanian...

but you know we albanians (illyrians) have never wrote down our history we didnt have any alphabete since 1900 many albanian have teach to wrote in greec turkish and slavic because we didnt have any alphabete at that time........so many old albanian words have gone away lost. we borrow many greec latin and slave word.

Oh what a load of B**** this part is lol common be real now. How can you claim him as an Albanian and provide no real proof but you clearly state we never wrote down our history right? as an excuse.

[Illyria]

illyrians and thrakians didint wrote down their history like albanians.

[olvios]

When you write your history its all in accordance to your imagination

[Hermes]

Olvios....there are people that write history , like greeks or that make it like Odisea (like greeks again) and there are people like albanian , that dont write history, just do it.
Many writers or travellers of the 19th century that visited Greece, had no good thoughts/memory of the greeks...and they said that the only energie that was pushing forward the new NATION were the albanians (or mentioned like arvantites by the way)
Dont say me again they was 2 different entities, when they speak about Hydra, Specia and other isles and so on, different autors refer to the same population with bouth names, u hadnt changed them a lot at those times.

[olvios]

stop trolling

[Morphesau]

Originally Posted by Hermes

Olvios....there are people that write history , like greeks or that make it like Odisea (like greeks again) and there are people like albanian , that dont write history, just do it.

That'll be the day we'll be saying "Wonderful for Albania" when she actually does start creating real history for her self for once

Many writers or travellers of the 19th century that visited Greece, had no good thoughts/memory of the greeks...and they said that the only energie that was pushing forward the new NATION were the albanians (or mentioned like arvantites by the way)

Really? Here is a youtube of what great minds have said about Greece throughout the ages.

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[Hermes]

Oh my God Morphesau, if the others are manipulators, u are so "stupid".
1. The Youtube is ok....nothing about it.
2. All these great minds ( even they lived throughout that age ) when speak to Greece and greeks refers to the ancient Greece and the helen people.

It would be so absurde to say it was no truth, but i spoke about "helens" of the 19 century.........
.....anyway the 1 $ million questions are :
1. What do u have in common with the ancient inhabitans of the territory called Greece(except the fact that u live in the same territory) ????
2. Which was the origin of this great culture ? I'm sure nothing is created by itsself, but derives from one or some sources.

I realy dont know that, i'm so curious....no one had said it to me, or may there is nothing to say ???!!!!
Come on guys , the joke is still open.....i wish that my words arent deleted as in the other times................^_^

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Hermes

1. What do u have in common with the ancient inhabitans of the territory called Greece(except the fact that u live in the same territory) ????

Not again...

Well, we got the same looks, the same blood, the same gods, the same language, the same GUTS, the same names, basically everything that can UNITE us with our forefathers, EVERYTHING that can be considered a uniting factor.

[Ehetlaios]

Originally Posted by Hermes

2. Which was the origin of this great culture ? I'm sure nothing is created by itsself, but derives from one or some sources.

The "origin" are the Hellenic mind and spirit.

The unending quest for perfection, the unending strive for excellence.

The freedom, both physical and mental.

The desire to create from ash.

The desire to leave your mark upon the world.

And no, we did not "originate" from Sirius...

Albanians are the only ethnos in the world that is proud for creating NOTHING. They say "we have no language of our own, can't prove our language is Illyrian, we have changed religion as many times as we have been conquered, we have no culture of our own, but still we're Pelasgians and are damn proud for creating nothing."

[Morphesau]

Originally Posted by Hermes

Oh my God Morphesau, if the others are manipulators, u are so "stupid".
1. The Youtube is ok....nothing about it.
2. All these great minds ( even they lived throughout that age ) when speak to Greece and greeks refers to the ancient Greece and the helen people.

It would be so absurde to say it was no truth, but i spoke about "helens" of the 19 century.........
.....anyway the 1 $ million questions are :
1. What do u have in common with the ancient inhabitans of the territory called Greece(except the fact that u live in the same territory) ????
2. Which was the origin of this great culture ? I'm sure nothing is created by itsself, but derives from one or some sources.

I realy dont know that, i'm so curious....no one had said it to me, or may there is nothing to say ???!!!!
Come on guys , the joke is still open.....i wish that my words arent deleted as in the other times................^_^

Must have hit a nerve Since you have no history only borrowed

This is your young history begining the 19th century nothing nice about Albanians is said;

1878 League of Prizren

During the period 1876 to 1912,
the approximately 150,000 Orthodox Serbs were ethnically cleansed or driven out of the Kosovo vilayet.

During this period, Serbian Orthodox were murdered, their property was plundered, Orthodox churches and monasteries and cemeteries were desecrated and vandalized, Serbian women and girls were raped and kidnapped, and Serbian property was looted and robbed, a systematic and planned policy to create an ethnically pure Greater Albania.

The members of the Prizren League were beys and agas, wealthy and privileged landowners who sought to maintain those privileges and status within the Ottoman feudal system. They opposed a multi-ethnic policy of ethnic tolerance and were anti-Serbian and anti-Slavic, anti-reformist, and anti-democratic.

Many of the "Albanian lands" they claimed for "Greater Albania" or "Ethnic Albania" had never been a part of Albania and many parts of the territory were not majority Albanian areas. Indeed, before 1912, Albania or Shqiperia, had never existed as a nation or state.

Albanians, or Shqiptars, themselves were divided into the Ghegs and the Tosks who did not speak an identical language, but different dialects of Shqip.

The aims of the Greater Albania ideology are territorial expansion at the expense of neighboring sovereign nations and states. Greater Albania is not a movement of national independence, in other words, but a shifting of borders. Albanians have a national homeland or national state, Albania or Shqiperia, established in 1912.

What the Greater Albania strategy seeks to do, however, is to change internationally recognized and thus legal borders. Ipso facto the Greater Albania strategy is illegal and violates all international laws, agreements, and covenants. The Greater Albania ideology is, then, illegal, militant, aggressive, and, most significantly, requires outside foreign intervention to succeed, requires the intervention of a Great Power or Superpower, Ottoman Turkey,

Austria-Hungary, Italy, Germany, or the United States. All of the above-mentioned foreign powers have in turn supported and sponsored a Greater Albania. The pattern, and the lesson for us, is clear. Foreign military and political intervention is crucial in the Greater Albania ideology. The 1878 Prizren League grasped this completely.

Their expansionist and nationalist agenda required Turkish support. Without that support, Greater Albania would fail.


So the Albanians who worship Georgos Kastriotis are the very people who are destroying the Orthodox churches to which fought under tsk. NOT to mention

The burden of the Balkans / by M. Edith Durham., Durham, Mary Edith, 1863-1944.
p. 51

The Albanians made terms with the Turks...............

'We Albanians,' said an Albanian kaimmakam tome recently, 'have quite peculiar ideas. We must have freedom; we will profess any form of religion
which leaves us free to carry a gun. Therefore the majority of us are Moslems."...........

"Fighting has always been the Albanians' joy. They now fought for the Turk whenever called upon, and were well paid, for their services were very valuable, and they retained the right to manage their own internal affairs. The heads of noble families were made Pashas or Beys, and given the governorships of the larger towns: Skodra, Ipek, Skoplje, Janina, Prisren-all were ruled by hereditary Albanian Pashas; and the Albanian, as the ally of the Turk"

Through the lands of the Serb,, Durham, Mary E. p.78

"The Albanians purchase privileges from the Turks
by fighting for them and supplying the Turkish army"

Georgos Kastriotis was fighting the Turks when the Albanians were side by side with the Turks! now that doesn't make sense deos it. He was a Greek Hero son. NOT an Albanian.

Chioa.