Arguments on Albanian and Greek origins (split thread)

[Hermes]

-Guys i dont pretend to invent history....and that is why some times i make some questions.....to have clear the fact and u....the only thing to do , when u have no answer....is to speak for other things, to atack albanians (even if they are the devil, its not an answer)
- Once in response of some of my questions were open a page in this forum " Olimps Gods".....there the people continued to make like hens and monkeys but there was NO ANSWER. Just a pretty guy gave a kind of link, nothing to be understood there, that said sth that they were greeks, but it was not the answer of question.....anyway here is the same thing...

Let speak a little

The desire to create from ash.

This is funny....most of the writers of the 19th century say the difference very clear. thats why i asked u. The greeks were a parazit part of the society , the same as they were mentioned in the 6-11 century. The New Greece was made by Arvanites, as the today albanians have their part in the today greek economy. Thats why u say that arvanites are not albanian ( the one milion question would be : why and how is possible they speak albanian? come on guys...f...your fantazy...all world know that).


[quote][/The "origin" are the Hellenic mind and spirit.
QUOTE]
This was funny too.... all world say that is a great diference beetwen Greeks and helens( its not based on the time)

[/The freedom, both physical and mental.QUOTE]
If there were not the arvanites, your freedom would be in the tomb by the turks.

[QUOTThe desire to leave your mark upon the world.E]

Yes....this is true , even when u take the marks from the others.

And no, we did not "originate" from Sirius...

Than why dont u asked my question.....were did u become from.....was that for nothing ????

[quote][Albanians are the only ethnos in the world that is proud for creating NOTHING/QUOTE]
Really ....thats why u took everything from them??? U have to make a great false history.....from the ancient antichity, all is joined....everything has a reason.....if u dont argue your origins....it s very easy to create the other on falsity.


[quote][They say "we have no language of our own, can't prove our language is Illyrian, we have changed religion as many times as we have been conquered, we have no culture of our own, but still we're Pelasgians and are damn proud for creating nothing."
/QUOTE]
U say that.....Illyrians didnt wrote their language.....and now as a handsome guy....can u say how was illyrian ???....to say us how did u understood that we are different.
About the religion.....albanian real one is the Natyralism. as the pelasg's was.
In our traditions there is no song about asiatic fanatic religions, we dont sing to stupid gods, but we sing for our mountains, fields, youth love and so on.....no religion guys....and the invasors had took only the formal aprove of albanians, just to avoid taxes and to have privileges....
--- Do u know which was the price for Helines to be converted in the f....... Orthodox religion???? How did they turn so easyly....if i see the YOUTUBE its hard for me that that culture destroyed itself to admit an imaginary filozofy created by Jewish. Christian filozofy is so different from the Helen one.
- Having present too the etnik changes during the barbar invasions...
...... dont say me ...YOU are the same.

Must have hit a nerve Since you have no history only borrowed

This is your young history begining the 19th century nothing nice about Albanians is said;

1878 League of Prizren

During the period 1876 to 1912,
the approximately 150,000 Orthodox Serbs were ethnically cleansed or driven out of the Kosovo vilayet.

During this period, Serbian Orthodox were murdered, their property was plundered, Orthodox churches and monasteries and cemeteries were desecrated and vandalized, Serbian women and girls were raped and kidnapped, and Serbian property was looted and robbed, a systematic and planned policy to create an ethnically pure Greater Albania.

The members of the Prizren League were beys and agas, wealthy and privileged landowners who sought to maintain those privileges and status within the Ottoman feudal system. They opposed a multi-ethnic policy of ethnic tolerance and were anti-Serbian and anti-Slavic, anti-reformist, and anti-democratic.

Many of the "Albanian lands" they claimed for "Greater Albania" or "Ethnic Albania" had never been a part of Albania and many parts of the territory were not majority Albanian areas. Indeed, before 1912, Albania or Shqiperia, had never existed as a nation or state.

Albanians, or Shqiptars, themselves were divided into the Ghegs and the Tosks who did not speak an identical language, but different dialects of Shqip.

The aims of the Greater Albania ideology are territorial expansion at the expense of neighboring sovereign nations and states. Greater Albania is not a movement of national independence, in other words, but a shifting of borders. Albanians have a national homeland or national state, Albania or Shqiperia, established in 1912.

What the Greater Albania strategy seeks to do, however, is to change internationally recognized and thus legal borders. Ipso facto the Greater Albania strategy is illegal and violates all international laws, agreements, and covenants. The Greater Albania ideology is, then, illegal, militant, aggressive, and, most significantly, requires outside foreign intervention to succeed, requires the intervention of a Great Power or Superpower, Ottoman Turkey,

Austria-Hungary, Italy, Germany, or the United States. All of the above-mentioned foreign powers have in turn supported and sponsored a Greater Albania. The pattern, and the lesson for us, is clear. Foreign military and political intervention is crucial in the Greater Albania ideology. The 1878 Prizren League grasped this completely.

Their expansionist and nationalist agenda required Turkish support. Without that support, Greater Albania would fail.


So the Albanians who worship Georgos Kastriotis are the very people who are destroying the Orthodox churches to which fought under tsk. NOT to mention

The burden of the Balkans / by M. Edith Durham., Durham, Mary Edith, 1863-1944.
p. 51

The Albanians made terms with the Turks...............

'We Albanians,' said an Albanian kaimmakam tome recently, 'have quite peculiar ideas. We must have freedom; we will profess any form of religion
which leaves us free to carry a gun. Therefore the majority of us are Moslems."...........

"Fighting has always been the Albanians' joy. They now fought for the Turk whenever called upon, and were well paid, for their services were very valuable, and they retained the right to manage their own internal affairs. The heads of noble families were made Pashas or Beys, and given the governorships of the larger towns: Skodra, Ipek, Skoplje, Janina, Prisren-all were ruled by hereditary Albanian Pashas; and the Albanian, as the ally of the Turk"

Through the lands of the Serb,, Durham, Mary E. p.78

"The Albanians purchase privileges from the Turks
by fighting for them and supplying the Turkish army"

Georgos Kastriotis was fighting the Turks when the Albanians were side by side with the Turks! now that doesn't make sense deos it. He was a Greek Hero son. NOT an Albanian.

Chioa.

Was that the answer of my question to you??? U cant speak for other when u dont know what u say....anyway ...it would be stupid to continue with u.





Come on guys , the joke is still open.....i wish that my words arent deleted as in the other times................^_^

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Hermes

-Guys i dont pretend to invent history.

You can't pretend and invent at the same time cause its a contradition.

Once in response of some of my questions were open a page in this forum " Olimps Gods".....there the people continued to make like hens and monkeys but there was NO ANSWER.

What answer did you expect. Olvios gives you a link to an etymology site which quotes linguists and you claimed its made up by a teenager and mention who?!? ... Kollias
How the hell do you expect to be taken seriously ?

This is funny....most of the writers of the 19th century say the difference very clear. thats why i asked u. The greeks were a parazit part of the society , the same as they were mentioned in the 6-11 century. The New Greece was made by Arvanites, as the today albanians have their part in the today greek economy. Thats why u say that arvanites are not albanian ( the one milion question would be : why and how is possible they speak albanian? come on guys...f...your fantazy...all world know that).

Try to understand what someone tells you before answering.
What difference? how the westerners saw the Hellenes under Ottoman yoke?
These are the same people that baptised the Greco-Roman baths.."Turkish", these are the same people that were taught ancient Hellenic in the Erasmic manner and claimed that the Hellenes of the 18th cent. had no relation to them because they couldn't understand their speech. They were fixated on the achievments of the ancients to such extent that they didn't stop and think for a second that language changes, time does have that effect.You're talking about people that couldn't even read Shakesperian english yet critisized the illiterate peasants that couldn't recite Homer. damn morons !!

As for your theory on the Arvanites, I've asked you time and time again but you never answered, WHY do the texts clearly use different denominations for them ?
Why didn't Simon Fitzsimons that was traveling in the region (Albania) in 1322 note the existance of you language to the South but only in the North and Robert Elsie, the expert Albanologist claim that Albanian began to be spoken in the South only during the last half of the century which is when you became the majority of the population there ??
Anyway, I've said all this far too many times to repeat it since you just can't answer.

What you fail to see is that WE don't have the problem, YOU DO simply because the Arvanites loathe you and want no connection what so ever with you.

Yes....this is true , even when u take the marks from the others.

examples would be nice.

Than why dont u asked my question.....were did u become from.....was that for nothing ????

Were did we become from ??
This isn't even english !!!
If you mean WHERE we came from, theories vary.. there's the autochthonous, the IE theory, and an in-between where some settlers came and intermixed with the autochthonous.. all have their arguments and all their flaws. When the "specialist" come up with a verdict I'll tell you. But you can be sure of one thing.. it isn't Caucasus.

Really ....thats why u took everything from them??? U have to make a great false history.....from the ancient antichity, all is joined....everything has a reason.....if u dont argue your origins....it s very easy to create the other on falsity.

Name one thing that you can prove beyond doubt was Albanian and we adopted it..
What the hell is "ancient antichity" ???

U say that.....Illyrians didnt wrote their language.....and now as a handsome guy....can u say how was illyrian ???....to say us how did u understood that we are different.

Who's feednig you this crap ?
Messapic is akin to Illyrian and based on Messapic we find that your language is alien to it.

About the religion.....albanian real one is the Natyralism. as the pelasg's was.
In our traditions there is no song about asiatic fanatic religions, we dont sing to stupid gods, but we sing for our mountains, fields, youth love and so on.....no religion guys....and the invasors had took only the formal aprove of albanians, just to avoid taxes and to have privileges....

Well I was expecting the Pelasgian crack
Anyway, since you mentioned the same thing for the second time.. I guess you fully support the FACT that you people have NO moral values, you sell out anything and everything for money, be that religion, country, ethnicity even your own family as seen in child prostitution which you profess.

--- Do u know which was the price for Helines to be converted in the f....... Orthodox religion???? How did they turn so easyly....if i see the YOUTUBE its hard for me that that culture destroyed itself to admit an imaginary filozofy created by Jewish. Christian filozofy is so different from the Helen one.

This is a huge discussion which you can find in other topics. A short answer is both by force and on their own free will. Some found teachings that derived from Hellenic ideas and believed, others resisted and were persecuted for it. But the fact of the matter is that Christianity has its roots in Hellenic teachings.

[Ptolemy]

parazit? lol what else i am gonna read from these people!!!

hey little albo here is what you can find into the "European Labor Unions" By Joan Campbell speaking about the joke called Albania. Enjoy it!

[Makedonia25]

Hermes, please stop trolling.. And say SOMETHING logical..

[olvios]

Kick the trolls the frak out.

[Makedonia25]

Originally Posted by olvios

Kick the trolls the frak out.

Well, thats the easy thing to do.. We like to think that we give people a chance to get their point across, even if it is retarded..