All the best with this site! I quit.

[Lakonian]

To those who read this,

latetly i have been abused by many on this site without cause. It seems some of my topics get to people because either

1. They dont want somebody posting nationalistic pride.

2.They think they know what they know.

The latest attck is from Orphic Hymn and Isreal.

Orphyc Hymn has over and over again used abusive language towards me and seeks to make me out to be some sort of pseudo preacher, just because i use actual facts and combine them in puzzle like manner to bring conclusions about the Pelasgian topic, like most archealogists do as they slowly find more and more evidence.

Take Troy for example, it was considered a good bed time story , untill like recently with the finding of the 2700 year old cloth that was found in Arcadia though to belong to burial site for a fallen Troy hero, has put that theory to bed.

File, i show alot of pride, have i done something wrong? Have i been racist?
Have i used abusive language like alot of you do in here?

Isreal always slithers into my posts only to post none topic related slander like, " you think everything from Greece is good", yeah i do!

And to only have Olvios come and post " i use Greek tactics to fight with others, because that what we are good at"? Where re Olvios, i thought we share the same passion?

Then we have Ahetleos sending me private msgs with articles he thinks should be read by me in secret because he thinks you guys will attack him if he posts it out in the open.Ti ine afta ta pramata?

Ma tiyenet etho mesa? I though we were blood, i though we lean on eachother instead of beating up eachother because we have different thoughts on things,. Why cant we discuss like our fathers did in the Parthenon, using theories and our own logic.

I choose extreme topics yes, because in those fields is where the gap is for most of our national disputes, and where most propaganda is used to plauge not only the rest of the wordl, but the Greeks too.

No im not here to fight with anyone, life is not short or long, its what you make it, and im not gona waste it fighting on the internet.

To all the moderators where was moderation? Voulga? Akritas?

Thanks alot philarakia. I understand you dont want this to be some sort of Extreme right wing forum, everyone should come in here and share there thoughts , with just. But you guys seem to be headhunters more than anything else.Pou ine i feloxenia yia tous elines, the bottom line is this is for us, not the world or foriegners.

Its not all bitter though, i wanna thank alot of you because i have posted some topics which you guys have supported with educated thoughts, and i have learnt alot from you. Fxaristo.

All the best with the site, once again my appoligies to anyone who thinks i have offended them. I cannot be here and labled a fire starter.

Moderators or anyone else please msg me how to resign my Name from the forum.

[Euklid]

You want my sincerety:

You are a good guy, with nice thoughts and all, patriotic and the likes, but quite often you over stretch them, too much.

Ptolemy, Akritas, Voulgaroktonos, Orphic Hymn, just to name a few, have indeed set an example of referencing of valid argumentation. You cross the lines sometimes(quite a few to be honest), if you cant take some serious and honest questioning, then how do you expect your argumentation to gain validity?

Anyway mate seriously here we do not have a legal binding contract, anytime you want you come, anytime you don't want, you don't come. Its that simple, if you feel you need to take a brake from Macontheweb foruming, go on and take break, nobody forced you to join, and nobody forces you to leave. Think about this carefully.

Ta leme, and drop your mail in my pm, to keep in touch.

[Tsontos]

This has happened with a couple of people now!

When were you abused Lakonian? Orphic and Israel didnt abuse you, they simply argued against your arguments

Then we have Ahetleos sending me private msgs with articles he thinks should be read by me in secret because he thinks you guys will attack him if he posts it out in the open.Ti ine afta ta pramata?

Come on now....he will never be attacked on this forum without one of the mods taking action against the culprit. His arguments and material will undoubtedly be critically viewed by every member. Every single post should be ciritically viewed shoudlnt it? I personally dont agree with all of what Ehetlaios posts however I do see validity in much of it as well! (im talking about the christian-hellenist argument here). I also respect his dedication for someone so young and respect him as a Greek

Why cant we discuss like our fathers did in the Parthenon, using theories and our own logic.

Thats exactly what we can do and what I thought we were doing.

Hope you'll reconsider

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

Orphyc Hymn has over and over again used abusive language towards me and seeks to make me out to be some sort of pseudo preacher, just because i use actual facts and combine them in puzzle like manner to bring conclusions about the Pelasgian topic, like most archealogists do as they slowly find more and more evidence.

Lakonian, don't invent events that didn't take place..

Whatever form of "abuse" (reference to "malakia") towards you from my part, was well expected after your rediculous postings towards me in which my ethnic background was questioned and you audaciously suggested that I'm taking apart our history and for what reason !!! for requesting that you support/verify your claims and indicating holes in your theories..
If this is how you honor the memory of "your fathers" discussions, what can I say, we obviously have a different perception of what they believed "discussion" meant or simply had different ones my friend..

If you think I'll accept a fallacious historic claims or the etymology of Pelasgians to feed my pride, you've got another thing coming.. Sorry but I won't allow my pride to make me ridicule my history based on unhistoric claims.

Anyway, I would like you to reconsider and stay since I do believe you have alot to contribute, but be sure that unhistoric claims will be treated as such (no matter who posts them) until proven to be based on scientific research (PS: wiki isn't considered as such)

[Lakonian]

Uklid the question you and Orphic have asked me in the Pelasgian thread i have answered more than once, you keep throwing at me that i have no proof of what i say and i only speculate. You are wrong brother, you and him have not taken what i say serious, and this is what upset me. Anyways, im over it.

Voulga, Orpich has used abusive language, he never directly said i was a Malaka, but he said he thinks what i say is malakias....now what educated and well manared person says those things, he can say what i write he doesnt agree with but to say its malakias, this is abusive.

He also said that i take it too far? What is too far? That i love my history, that i love mythology because it holds keys to our past? I make sugestions with actual articles that have been written by professors, archealogists yet still that doesnt satisfy them. They can argue , but they dont have to force on to me what they think!

Orphic and all who think my use of mythological reference is empty i leave you with this:
When I began to write my history I was inclined to count these legends as foolishness, but on getting as far as Arcadia I grew to hold a more thoughtful view of them, which is this. In the days of old those Greeks who were considered wise spoke their sayings not straight out but in riddles, and so the legends about Cronus I conjectured to be one sort of Greek wisdom. In matters of divinity, therefore, I shall adopt the received tradition.
Pausanias, Description of Greece 8.8.3


I leave the judgement up to you, go and read the Pelasgian thread properly, and tell me if over and over again i have asnwered them and they dont bother reading it! They just have a whatever attitude, this is not fair.

And i wanna know how to remove my name from the forum, im not gonna let it be apart of it if im not going to post.

Ban me.


GREECE IS THE MOST PURE COUNTRY, WE HAVE THE BAD TOO, BUT THEY ARE MEAR SAND GRAINS WHICH IS CONSUMED BY OUR HISTORICAL SIDE AND OUR GOOD DEEDS, AND OUR COURAGE WHICH EVERY BARBARIAN ENVYS. HELLAS IS THE LIGHT, AND IS THE BEGINING AND THE END. EVERY BARBARIAN THAT LEAVES HIS DAILY LIFE IN THE MODERN WORLD, IS LIVING IN A GREEK ONE. EVOLUTION BEGAN IN A TINY PEACE OF RUGGED LAND CALLED HELLAS. OUR CAVES ARE FILLED WITH GEOMETRIC AND SOPHISTICATED FINDINGS.

THE BARBARIANS CAVES ARE FOUND WITH BONES OF THERE BROTHERS WHO THEY THOUGHT WAS THERE FOOD.



XAIPE, YH PATRIKI MOU,
GENITRA TON YONION MOU,
STON ANTHROPO, AKOMA KAI STON PIO KAKO,
ALLO DEN INE PIO GLIKO
APO TO XOMA POU TON ETHREPSE.

[olvios]

This is doing more damage then any troll albanian or other

[Orphic_Hymn]

olvios
As you've witnessed in the past, some just can't take healthy critism on their views so they resort to opening such stupid issues.

Lakonian
Once you re-read and finally comprehend the celebration of your [personal comment edited] triggered by totally legit questions (which remain unanswered), you'll understand why your comments and subsequently you, were titled as such.

As for Pausanias, as I've already asked, do we strictly speak of history based on myths or will we eventually add archeologic finds to the myths?
What I mean is that noone can reject the truth behind Herakles' journeys nor the Argonauts..etc, but these were verified only after archeology allowed us to do so. So when you find Ouranos' balls floating in the Aegean, I'll accept that that was the reason Cyprus emerged from the sea as the fossilized ophiolite on Troodos clearly prove.

[olvios]

Stop fighting amongst eachother we may not always agree and not always understand what eachother is trying to say but that doesnt mean we ll break the phallanx.

[olvios]

And ehetlaios you may not like christianity, i dont either and noone here claims its a perfect thing but greek HEROES fought and died under that banner and you or anyone else including me has no right to badmouth HEROES like Kolokotronis that freed this country while you type in keyboards and imagine about it. I have said it 1000 times its about the Genos not the religion whether it is Bhuddist pagan christian or worshiping the abominable snowman.Do a source check in pagan articles first because you blame the dogmatic christians while modern paganism has a dogma much more strict than christianity. The core pagans are traitors.You are young and passionate but fire must be harnessed or else its just useless.

[olvios]

Lakonian on the greek tactics i was refering to Greeks in general even to myself and Israel is not slithering ,he posts his views.

I request Harmony and Concordance now from all parties.