Geodetic Triangulation

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Kuniska

And what do you make out of all this?

??What do you mean? Your asking what do you make of precise calculation of monuments representing astrological mapping?

Ti stokalo rotas tora? This was done in B.C! Without arial views my friend!

What exactly do wanna know?

[Kuniska]

Ρωτάω για το ζουμί της υπόθεσης, Λακωνα. Με ενδιαφέρει να δω πέρα απο τα τρίγωνα... Ξέρει κανείς τίποτα;

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Kuniska

Ρωτάω για το ζουμί της υπόθεσης, Λακωνα. Με ενδιαφέρει να δω πέρα απο τα τρίγωνα... Ξέρει κανείς τίποτα;

Unfortunately there are many theories but all lead to the same thing. Its as if Greece and many other ancient cultures had the ability to set out precise geometric measurements of constilations, planets including moons, and starts(zodiac) in the form of temples, statues, and other monuments.

Kuniska, the only problem is how littl ewe know about our past beliefs(spirituality) leads many to thinking crazy things like Greeks came from space or Greeks communicated with aliens. One thing il agree with is that Greeks believed something was out there a sPlato said himself..."Astronomy compels one to look to the heavens and fly one planet to the other"?

Im not sure if he saying Astronomy makes us wanna know whats out there, or if he belives that we long to actulay look for something more than whats on Earth.

Plato was not alone on this, many philosophers shared this.


Back to the Geometry, my belief is this. The Greeks no matter if they borrowed from others took Geometry to the highets level, as till today, scientists and mathematicians still use Euklids/Pythagoras and many others methods.

Its funny how archeologists argue that Greeks borrowed form Egyptians and others when they have no written works (mathematics geometry ect). Why is is it so easy to assume this when there are no written documents or references as to who learnt what from whom.
We have Plato who tarvelled to Egypt and thats it! They say because he travelled there it makes sense to say that he learned alot of the mystiscm from there! Or Trimegistus belongs to Egypt because they have a similiar God.

Its simply said Egypt predates our Hellas(from archeaological evidence) so all arguemnets are against.

Its not that simple. Firstly the Pyramids in terms of geometric knowledge are based on Greek mathematical principles.(il post those later)

We have Pyramids of our own, i think in Peleponisian area.(correct me if im wrong).We also have sphynx's that predate the Egyptian ones.

Heres what i think. The fascination of space to teh Greeks have pushed them so far as to bring it closer to them(down to Earth).

Parthenon, Pyramids and other monuments have connections to eachother.

Its as if the Greeks wanted to be with the starts, they longed to return when they believe soul travelled to. They also believed sacred places (asklepian sites) had healing powers(not like re generation) , psychological therepy , mental illness, schizophrenia, viral.

I have a book which reveals this aswell.( il scan pages)

Whats more amzing is the statues and ornaments also played a role. The each had something to do with planets and stars that where placed in such a way to make it cryptic.


The point is to me(logic) Greeks wanted to walk amongst the stars and planets. They brought them closer to them. What amazes me and yet for any of the braniac archeologist to explain is the precision of these monuments!

Why cant anyone admit that they just cant explain how the Greeks achieved this! Or how the hell the blocks of Egypt where put together (weighing tons) in such accuracy"? Not only this , but by going form the stars?!!


I dont hold those answers, but i know Hellenic knowledge was used construct them.

[Lakonian]

Sorry Kunisak, if your asking directly for the meaning of Traingular measurement i belive its was a mathematical principal used to determine the positions of the monuments.

The Greeks discovered an idea, a Platonic idea, in the form of a principle of measure, a principle of congruence, or concordance, between ideas and actions on the universe, which can only be developed by the human mind. Recall in this connection, what Plato said about the teaching of astronomy, and the ordering principle of the heavens in the Republic, VII, 529,and Laws, X, 899 .

"What is required for the discovery of such causality is a higher cardinality; and that cardinality is no less than addressing the subjective power of the human mind to become the causal agency, which commands the ordering of the Universal Blazonry of the Heavens"-Plato

Thales of Miletus lived 600 years before Christ and was recognized as one of the Seven Sages of Greece during Solon's archonship of Athens. It was Thales who forecast the solar eclipse of May 28, 585 B.C. which put an end to the protracted war between the Lydians and the Medes, and ultimately settled a lasting peace between them. Not only did Thales know when eclipses would occur, but he also knew that the cycles of the Sun, the Earth, and the Moon had to concur in the plane of the ecliptic in order to cause such eclipses. This knowledge was outstanding, since no one at that time understood what eclipses were all about. Furthermore, Thales is reputed to have created the first almanac, giving the solstices, the equinoxes, the phases of the moon, and a long-range calendar with eclipse and weather prediction.

If you know that the diameter of the Moon is approximately 2160 miles, the discovery of the distance to the Moon requires an experiment which is relatively simple. It involves a conical projection and implies an important discovery which is fundamental in projective geometry: the discovery of self-similarity.

The idea is to create an imaginary cone which begins with your eye at one end and circumscribes the Moon at the other end. You must then conceive that any portion of that cone, starting from your eye, and cut anywhere between you and the Moon, will be self-similar to the entire Moon-cone, and will reflect the same proportionality everywhere. As perceived from your eye, that circular cut will always be the same size; which is another way of saying that your eye could never give you any knowledge of the size of the Moon.

To simply put it, Thales priniciple on the triangle was the only means to make thes measurements between the buildings.

It is fundamental though guys to grasp this concept because, without this projective property of self-similarity, you cannot even begin to think how to solve the problem of measuring the distance to the Moon, unless you use another method. This is the bounding principle, so to speak, of the whole discovery of teh triangle. It is important that we accept the triangle of Thales Theorem a sone of the sources the Greeks used.

But it still begs, and its evident that Thales himself used his minds perception to make the measuremenst with his Triangle Theorem! So how the hell did all those Greeks that built the monuments acomplish this? Where they trained in the principle? The say slaves built most of them(yeah right), wow, slaves possesed such skills those days? I envy even them then!

[Kuniska]

mmm Has anyone heard of a crystal pyramid discovered in the middle of Pelloponese and it is dated lot earlier than the Egypt pyramids? Or is it just a rumour?
So Lakonian, we re just not so sure of the use. We make assumptions...How did you know about the Pyramids in the Pelloponese?

[Orphic_Hymn]

Strabo throughout his chapter 1 of book one, tells us of the significance of astronomy and geometry for the science of geography. Add to this the fact that Arstotle in his Politics 1331 tells us that the designated area for temples of worship were either decided by law or by the Pythian oracle.

I guess it all comes down to how you view the issue and what you prefer to believe since as some have correctly argued, the multitude of ancient temples in ancient Hellas makes it simple to understand that by taking Delphoi for example as your "posistion A", opening the compass to any chosen length will almost certainly give you temples of equal distance from "posistion A" ..
But then again, this doesn't explain the "coincidence" of the place name's numerical value being equal to the distance as already shown.



Never heard of this "crystal pyramid" but I know of the "Pyramid of Elliniko" that was dated by the use of the method of Optical Thermoluminescence by Uni. of Edinburg to 2720BC. In the past, the results could be found HERE but it seems like they've either changed the link or simply removed them. (unfortunately due to a HD crash and the mistake of not making a backup, I don't have the Doc. any more)

[Lakonian]

Orphic i agree with you. My father goes to Greece every year, he is 60 and he always tells me, " son, your ancestors make me feel like i dont belong to them when i stare at the monuments they left for us." This is the problem, when we dont know or understand something we distance ourselves from it.

We need to bring back this system we had in tha past, our connection with our past is something we need to study very strongly so that we may better understand them.

Anyways, Orphic, do you agree that Egyptians must have adoptd our theorms?

What if teh Greeks thatbuyilt the Pyramids at home just didnt havethe land mass?? What if they offered the Pyramids as a gift in return they would have completed there purpose.....(which is yet to be concluded).

Kuniska,

il post the pics of the peloponesian Pyramids, for now simply do a web search on them.

The argumenst against the dating of our own Pyramids is that the methd used to carbon date them is not correct, (thermal). They will say whatever they can to deny us.

Let logic overcome this.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Lakonian

Anyways, Orphic, do you agree that Egyptians must have adoptd our theorms?

What if teh Greeks thatbuyilt the Pyramids at home just didnt havethe land mass?? What if they offered the Pyramids as a gift in return they would have completed there purpose.....(which is yet to be concluded).

Where's the proof that they did and should I take your "what if" as a speculation? Well, if we were to speculate, I guess anything is possible, but shouldn't we stick to what we can irrefutably prove?

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Where's the proof that they did and should I take your "what if" as a speculation? Well, if we were to speculate, I guess anything is possible, but shouldn't we stick to what we can irrefutably prove?

Well duh, speculation can only be the conclusion when we are talking aboutthis subject, Its not like they (ancestors) left behind instructions as to how they were built and why? Do you hold some sort of evidence that the Egyptians built the Pyramids? andy hard core proof?

As you said, we shoose what to believe and provide some sort of conclusion to the purpose of these things through what our people knew.

My arguement is based on what resources we had as apposed to what the Egyptians had.

Our mathematical knowledge suppassed that of any ancient race. This is backed up simply by what theories and constructiosn we had. Wether it would be for social, military, religious or educational.

Show me what school the Egyptians had, show me who there philosophers were, show me there inventions, show me there mathematicians, scientists, astronomers, etc.....

I can only go by what we had to back up my arguements.

Your asking for proof of if the Greeks decided to built Pyramids in Egypt because there yard was to small, well yeah you can call it speculation if you dub it that, but its an assumption to me.

Like i said dude, even the Thales post i have above cannot proove 100% if thats the source Greek sused to position there monuments, but is it not closer than just saying we dont know. Analysis can lead to the truth or it can lead to something totaly worng, but we must choose something, as individulas or as a a whole. I just feel as per my post that Greeks had the smarts and Egyptians didnt in that period....(no offence to anyone in here).

Il post the pics Kuniska.........

[Lakonian]

When excavations were made around the Greek pyramids in the early 1900s, pottery fragments from the Fourth Century B.C. were found, and it was presumed that the pyramids were also constructed then; that is, about the time of Alexander the Great. Recent dating of crystals from internal surfaces of the limestone blocks using thermoluminescence puts the construction times back two millennia. The Hellenikon pyramid dates to 2730 B.C.; the Ligourio, to 2260 B.C. This means that the Greek pyramids were built in roughly the same time frame as the Egyptian pyramids.

Why would the ancient Greeks want to build miniature pyramids? The classical scholar Pausanias wrote in the Second Century A.D. that the Hellenikon pyramid was a cenotaph for the dead fallen in a fratricidal battle 4,000 years ago. Nobody believed his story until now.

(Hammond, Norman; "Did the Early Greeks Simply Copy the Pyramids of Egypt?" London Times, August 1, 1997. Cr. A.C.A. Silk. Also: Barnett, Adrian; "Written in Stone," New Scientist, p. 11, October 4, 1997.)



Kuniska, il post more, but im hungry now.....