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07-07-2008, 09:37 PM
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 Elis , Olympia and it's Greek Dialect
I'm going to post you two great samples of the Elean Greek dialect. Elis was the region of Olympia where the famous and Panhellenic Olympic Games were made during ancient times. I have to admit that their dialect of Greek is the strangest I've ever seen till now    [url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=140&i=elisolympia275bcoj9.png][IMG]http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9516/elisolympia275bcoj9.2ccc38524a Α Fράτρα τοῖς Fαλείοις instead of η ρήτρα τοις αθλείοις ??? Fάρρεν , Fέκαστος , Fείζος instead of ἄρρεν,ἕκαστος,εἴδος ζέκα , ζίκαια , Ελλανοζίκας , ζαμιουργία instead of δέκα , δίκαια , Ελλανοδίκας , δημιουργία θεόρ , όπωρ , Αγήτορορ , Τενέδιορ, instead of θεός , όπως , Αγήτορος , Τενέδιος αυτόρ , εστεφανομένορ , άλλοιρ , πλείονερ , instead of αυτός , εστεφανομένος , άλλοις , πλείονες τοιρ θεατοίρ ...ομοίωρ...τοιρ λοιποίρ, instead of τοῖς θεατοῖς ...ὁμοῖως ... τοῖς λοιποῖς εκτενέωρ ..απροφασίστωρ , instead of εκτενώς ..απροφασίστως τοῖρ ἄλλοιρ προξένοιρ και εὐεργέτοιρ , instead of τοῖς ἄλλοις προξένοις και εὐεργέτοις Note that this "r"-passion is in the middle of the Hellenistic period ...where scholars believe that the Greeks were speaking one dialect ..named "common" ("koine"). Somehow ...after watching the Elean dialect ..now I'm pretty sure that the Macedonians originaly spoke a dialect of Greek   Ερείρ τι λέτε ??? 
__________________ Μακεδῶν ἐξ Αἰγιδίου ...οἶά τε φύλλα μακεδνῆς αἰγείροιο "...like the leaves of a very high poplar" (Odyssey VII,106) κακοὶ μάρτυρες ἀνθρώποισιν ὀφθαλμοὶ καὶ ὦτα βαρβάρους ψυχὰς ἐχόντων "Bad testimonies are the eyes and the ears for persons having barbarian souls" ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΤΟΣ Last edited by Andrew; 07-07-2008 at 09:42 PM.      |
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07-08-2008, 05:55 AM
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Seems perfectly normal to me. Substitution of s to r is not a unique case in the greek language. Cretans in Anogeia region pronounce L as an aspiring R (in fact the sound is something between these 2 letters, it is a rotakismos case. After all,there are various mixing up in vowels in ancient greek epigraphs and texts,most prominently E and H,i dont see why this is not the case with consonants too. 
__________________ Mε σπούδαν και με βιάν πολλήν επρόβαλε ως λιοντάρι ο Aφέντης τση Mακεδονιάς, τ' όμορφο παλικάρι. Ήτονε εικοσιενούς χρονού, όμορφος κοπελιάρης, πολλά μεγάλης δύναμης, πολλά μεγάλης χάρης. Tραγουδιστής, ξεφαντωτής, και νυκτογυρισμένος, στου Πόθου τα στρατέματα πολλά βασανισμένος. Kαι τ' όνομά του το γλυκύ το λέγαν Nικοστράτη Vincenzo Cornaro,Erotokritos κανε θεε μου ενα σεισμο,και κουνα τον πλανητη,για να ερθουνε πλιο σιμα Μακεδονια Κρητη |
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07-08-2008, 07:02 AM
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It's a general rule that the north western greek dialects "hated" σ. Take for example the word ἀσκός (sac). The protogreek form must of been Fασκός* , sounded like "/w/askors" 1) transforming F to Φ you get Φασκόρς >> Φάκελος , Φασκί 2) transforming F to β (Macedonians) you have βασκευτής (he who carries the basket) 3) eliminating F have ἀσκός and in the Lakonian case (hate σ) in becames ἀκκόρ
__________________ Μακεδῶν ἐξ Αἰγιδίου ...οἶά τε φύλλα μακεδνῆς αἰγείροιο "...like the leaves of a very high poplar" (Odyssey VII,106) κακοὶ μάρτυρες ἀνθρώποισιν ὀφθαλμοὶ καὶ ὦτα βαρβάρους ψυχὰς ἐχόντων "Bad testimonies are the eyes and the ears for persons having barbarian souls" ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΤΟΣ |
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07-08-2008, 07:31 AM
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http://books.google.gr/books?id=XbwA...um=1&ct=result http://books.google.gr/books?id=RJc8...um=2&ct=result
__________________ Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην ειμί γένος τωρχαίον. I am myself a Greek by ancient descend. Alexander I of Macedonia,in Herodotos' book Kalliopi,IX,45. You can fool all of the people some of the time You can fool some of the people all of the time But you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln, 1864  |
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07-08-2008, 04:07 PM
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Tht's why I've put the ?? I know that the brother in the Elean dialect was "βρα" βρα φρατήρ brother bruder frattello (Italiano) .....
__________________ Μακεδῶν ἐξ Αἰγιδίου ...οἶά τε φύλλα μακεδνῆς αἰγείροιο "...like the leaves of a very high poplar" (Odyssey VII,106) κακοὶ μάρτυρες ἀνθρώποισιν ὀφθαλμοὶ καὶ ὦτα βαρβάρους ψυχὰς ἐχόντων "Bad testimonies are the eyes and the ears for persons having barbarian souls" ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΤΟΣ |
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07-08-2008, 04:56 PM
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__________________ Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην ειμί γένος τωρχαίον. I am myself a Greek by ancient descend. Alexander I of Macedonia,in Herodotos' book Kalliopi,IX,45. You can fool all of the people some of the time You can fool some of the people all of the time But you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln, 1864 |
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07-08-2008, 05:26 PM
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__________________ Μακεδῶν ἐξ Αἰγιδίου ...οἶά τε φύλλα μακεδνῆς αἰγείροιο "...like the leaves of a very high poplar" (Odyssey VII,106) κακοὶ μάρτυρες ἀνθρώποισιν ὀφθαλμοὶ καὶ ὦτα βαρβάρους ψυχὰς ἐχόντων "Bad testimonies are the eyes and the ears for persons having barbarian souls" ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΤΟΣ |
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