For pro-Greek in ancient Macedonian language

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Draco

When someone says this you know they're bullshitting. When a fringe theory is up against mainstream academic opinion, they try to present that opinion as just a mere theory among many theories all equal in value.

The mainstream academics will be the ones who will say is it true or not, not you and someone like you.
If you are not an expert don't make statements.

This is what the Creationists in the USA say. They believe that the world was created as it is in 6 days and claim that evolution is just one "theory" among many equally legitimate ones.

98% of your population thinks they have a 4000 years a continuity. Isn't that a theory.
And are you denying the claims of the bible and your church?
Everybody believes what they want and feels what they want, thats called self determination. Are you familiar with that word? Who are you to judge two billions of christians?

So here you have it, yet another "Aegean Macedonian".

The vast majority of Skopjians I've met claim that their families are refugees (i.e. settlers) from "Aegean" Macedonia. Makes you wonder how many Skopjians are actually indigenous to Vardarska; if they're all recent immigrants/settlers perhaps they should hand Vardarska over to the older "original" inhabitants, the Albanians.

Actually dude, you are not far from the truth. I still haven't met a skopjan that is indigenous to Skopje(I mean ethnic Macedonian). After the war, Skopje was made the capital and a lot of factories were build there so the people from all over Macedonia came there for better life.My mother came when she was one and my father when he was 3.
People from Bitola still are mad to us(Skopjans) for taking their primate as the capital of Macedonia.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by kostas68

The idiot is the one who believes that he'll acquire certificates of nobility by the usurpation of some one else's history and legacy,in order to conflict his inferiority complex.

You didn't give a damn for 50 years of what we say.
I don't have a complex. I'm cool and I don't have a identity problem unlike the 90 years old "macedonians"!

Wow,now you squashed us!!!Why should we believe your tales about your roots from 17th century?The only thing you can prove with your last name ending in -of is off course your Bulgarian origin.

You don't have to believe my roots. No one is forcing you. And btw I don't give a damn if you believe me. You are not a factor that I have to prove anything.
My last name ends on -ski and my mothers ends on -ski and my fathers ends on -ski. Did you read my post?

As for the <so called Makedones>,i think that me and other members of this forum have already posted a lot of testimonies of unbiased foreigners who visited Macedonia in the past centuries and found them residing there.They found also your ancestors there,but they mentioned that at that time they didn't call themselves <Macedonians> but Bulgarians.

Yeah I know men. I was 1200 years a bulgarian and for few years I managed to become a macedonian.
For the cradle of the western civilization and birthplace of logic you claims are stupid. You don't deserve the term "hellen"!
If you were all hellens you would be on the top of every nation(culturally) and
you would see everyone as a human being (given the rate of evolution that it would happen during 2000 years) and not making every living thing a part of a dead culture.
As for the makedones, the slavs came here but somehow the "hellens" managed to stay intact?

[Draco]

Originally Posted by ZZm

98% of your population thinks they have a 4000 years a continuity. Isn't that a theory.

Actually, it's your lot who believe that they have 4,000 years continuity. Of course there are no visible signs of it, so you claim that evidence of those 4,000 years of continuity is hidden in your "genes"!

Originally Posted by ZZm

And are you denying the claims of the bible and your church?

What do you think of the teachings of your church? It was only a few weeks ago when "Archbishop" Stefan declared that Thessaloniki and three other Greek cities are "spiritually" yours. Very Christian dogma indeed.

Originally Posted by ZZm

Everybody believes what they want and feels what they want, thats called self determination. Are you familiar with that word? Who are you to judge two billions of christians?

Why don't you tell me if you respect the self-determination of the Greek Macedonians? You lot are very good at claiming self-determination for themselves and denying that others should enjoy the same rights.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by ZZm

As for the makedones, the slavs came here but somehow the "hellens" managed to stay intact?

But according to you this is possible! Didn't the ancient Macedonian "genes" pass intact into you despite the Slav and Bulgar invasions? I suppose the Makedoncis are a historical exception.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by ZZm

You didn't give a damn for 50 years of what we say.
I don't have a complex. I'm cool and I don't have a identity problem unlike the 90 years old "macedonians"!

We didn't give a damn for 50 years because we didn't know that you would try to usurp our history,we just thought that you called yourselves <Macedonians> only by geographical meaning,not claiming an ancestry of the ancient Macedonians.Besides,your country wasn't a sovereign state till 1991Anyway,it was as usual a fault of our politicians that they didn't react all these years before.

Originally Posted by ZZm

You don't have to believe my roots. No one is forcing you. And btw I don't give a damn if you believe me. You are not a factor that I have to prove anything.
My last name ends on -ski and my mothers ends on -ski and my fathers ends on -ski. Did you read my post?

Yeah,i read it very carefuly,i always remember what exactly people like you are claiming,unlike you,but it's a common habbit of the liers to forget what they've told.This is what you posted:

Originally Posted by ZZm

My father background is from the northeast of Macedonia. Before 1913 their last name was ending on "-ov". After that on "-ich" and then on "-ski".

So,your name ended in -ov before 1913,after 1913 in -ich (it was the attempt of the Yuogaslavian state to serbianize you) and,since they realized that it was difficult to debulgarize you by Serbianization,they managed that with <Macedonization> and the -ski ending after 1945.And we know very well how you became <Macedonians>,ask your grandparents to tell you how many whip blows were needed for their parents to become proude <Macedonians> :

Page 150:Soon the attitude of the victoriously drawn in Serbs to the established Christian population sharpens:The peasants explain that they are of Bulgarian stock,till whiping blows make it seem more advisable to declare themselves <Macedonians>.

Originally Posted by ZZm

For the cradle of the western civilization and birthplace of logic you claims are stupid. You don't deserve the term "hellen"!

I forgive you for this attitude because i can understand your embarrassment,due to your lack of reasonable arguments but if we ask a neutral impartial person whose claims look stupid,the ones who are according to the mainstream view or the others who talks about ancient protoslavic language in 300 BC,what do you think he'll answer?

Originally Posted by ZZm

If you were all hellens you would be on the top of every nation(culturally) and
you would see everyone as a human being (given the rate of evolution that it would happen during 2000 years) and not making every living thing a part of a dead culture.

Now you showed clearly how much you envy us for our descend,although this is already shown by your wanabe Macedonian=Greek behaviour.

Originally Posted by ZZm

As for the makedones, the slavs came here but somehow the "hellens" managed to stay intact?

Nobody stayed intact after 2500 years,but at least we kept in a big degree our Greek cultural background.The same goes for you,you also got mixed with Illyrians,Paeonians,Dardanians,Kumans,Petschenegs, e.t.c,but you kept your basic Slavo-Bulgarian cultural background.

[Spartan]

If they accept the fact of Ancient Macedonia being Greek then they would have to admit that they are Greek as well. At least according to one of their theories which claim they are the mixture of the Slavs with the Ancient Macedonians. There admitting this of course will never happen because that would trash everything they have argued over the past 17 years and it would make them as much of mutts as they claim we are!

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Spartan

If they accept the fact of Ancient Macedonia being Greek then they would have to admit that they are Greek as well. At least according to one of their theories which claim they are the mixture of the Slavs with the Ancient Macedonians. There admitting this of course will never happen because that would trash everything they have argued over the past 17 years and it would make them as much of mutts as they claim we are!

When the english will say that they are germans, I will say that we are greeks!
Even if our historians admit that they were a greek tribe, things change for that big period of time. But I guess your didn't change. You are still sacrificing goats.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by kostas68

We didn't give a damn for 50 years because we didn't know that you would try to usurp our history,we just thought that you called yourselves <Macedonians> only by geographical meaning,not claiming an ancestry of the ancient Macedonians.Besides,your country wasn't a sovereign state till 1991Anyway,it was as usual a fault of our politicians that they didn't react all these years before.

And all of a sudden now their is a histeria. You are really pitiful. And why don't you ask your politicians why now there is so big fuss about it.
Really men.If 6 000 000 people are styding that Alex the great was a greek then why do you bother of what 2 millions people are saying?

,ask your grandparents to tell you how many whip blows were needed for their parents to become proude <Macedonians> :

Haven't I told you that my grandfather fought against the bulgarians? So much of the carefully reading.

I forgive you for this attitude because i can understand your embarrassment,due to your lack of reasonable arguments but if we ask a neutral impartial person whose claims look stupid,the ones who are according to the mainstream view or the others who talks about ancient protoslavic language in 300 BC,what do you think he'll answer?

Its just a theory. Unlike your 98% crap, acctually its 100% crap since muslim greeks are not minority. We ahve a bout 30 000 macedonian muslims, we called them torbeshi, but we don't consider them as minority neither they consider them selfs as minority. There is no difference between orthodox, catholic, protestant, muslim, budhist macedonian. Why don't ask our parliament member Fijat Canoski of how he feels.
And here is the university like a promised.
http://www.guidetorussia.com/college...ersity-280.asp

Now you showed clearly how much you envy us for our descend,although this is already shown by your wanabe Macedonian=Greek behaviour.

Actually dude I don't envy you. I have a great respect for the ancient greeks. The level of culture that they had and their way of thinking which with this kind of thinking and attitude you all have,you are light years away.

Nobody stayed intact after 2500 years,but at least we kept in a big degree our Greek cultural background.The same goes for you,you also got mixed with Illyrians,Paeonians,Dardanians,Kumans,Petschenegs, e.t.c,but you kept your basic Slavo-Bulgarian cultural background.

Yeah right.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by ZZm

And my mother family comes from the Lerin region. They've moved near Struga in the 17 century.One of the cousins was exploring this and the old folks confirm this.

I find it hard to believe a person voluntarily moved from a FLorina village all the way to STruga(a completely different world to a peasant villager) in the 17th century.Got any records besides the "old folks"?

IF something like that really did happen it was probably because they raped or killed someone and were forced to flee.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by ZZm

You didn't give a damn for 50 years of what we say.

Not quite true,but you were YUgoslavia then,and there was also Cold war politics which overshadowed everything.